--- In [email protected], "Nelson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], defenders_of_bhakti
> <no_reply@> wrote:
> 
> > 
> > I think there is a big confusion of what evolution actually means.
> > Here some biological definitions:
> > 
> > Evolution: The long-term process through which a population of
> > organisms accumulates genetic changes that enable its members to
> > successfully adapt to environmental conditions and to better exploit
> > food resources.
> > www.accessexcellence.org/AE/AEPC/WWC/1994/glossary.html
> > 
> > The change in life over time by adaptation, variation,
> > over-reproduction, and differential survival/reproduction, a process
> > referred to by Charles Darwin and Alfred Wallace as natural selection.
> > http://www.emc.maricopa.edu/faculty/farabee/BIOBK/BioBookglossE.html
> > 
> > In this sense evolution is not the development to a certain
> > pre-existent goal, but rather the successful adaptaion to a given
> > environment by a certain organism. Thhis is what trial and error and
> > natural selection is all about. This makes the idea of an evolving
> > Creator-God fairly upsurd: How could a Creator adapt to an
> > environment, he has created himself? It is even more absurd if you
> > assume an all-knowing God going through trial and error. Pretty much
> > trial and error can be done by machines, and doesn't require a creator
> > at all. That is why evolution, the theory of natural selection is so
> > much opposed by the creationists.
> > 
> > Now one can of course try to transfer the idea of evolution to a sort
> > of teleological argument, and that is what many New Agers do. There is
> > a goal, a pre-existent ideal to which nature develops. But if God
> > himself develops, who established the ideal, was it already there or
> > did he create it? And if he created the ideal, why didn't s/he create
> > the ideal creation right away?
> > 
> > I think one gets into a big muddle if one tries to combine
> > evolutionary theories which really don't need any God (like trial and
> > error) with creationist ideas. Why should a God evolve, unless he has
> > fallen, and is now involved in his own creation? Of course one could
> > argue, we are all God, and we are all evolving to finally realize this
> > potential of ours.
> > 
> > Otherwise its a really absurd idea, with the sort of populistic
> > appeal, the same as that we are all co-creators. It just makes some
> > people feel more important.
> > +++ Haven't you observed that you do some creating yourself?  N.

For me rather anticipation in creation.





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