--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi Willy
> 
> On Apr 5, 2006, at 8:15 AM, Richard J. Williams wrote:
> 
> > Vaj wrote:
> >
> > > What is unfortunate is that Ken really has probably never heard
> > > the 'dirty lowdown' on 'Marshy' and his movement.
> > >
> > Surely you must be jesting, Vaj. Wilber co-authored 'Spiritual
> > Choices' with Dick Anthony and you're saying that he probably never
> > heard the 'dirty lowdown' on Marshy? Next you'll be telling us that
> > Wilber never heard about the 'dirty lowdown' on the Adi Da Samraj.
> > Get real!
> 
> We don't know if he did or did not. Given that most of the lowdown on  
> the TMO is shrouded in secrecy and often only accessible to an inner  
> core of followers, I'd be surprised if he did. This list is certainly  
> an example where secret material, some negative,  filters out even to  
> the surprise of old and close students of M. Unlike people like Adi  
> Da or Rajneesh there really hasn't been an big expose on M. and the  
> movement. They are very good at controlling information and of  
> course, selling it.
> 
> Go figure.
> 
> 
> >
> > > It's important to admire the diamonds in this life...but it's
> > > also important to see the shit they're embedded in...
> > >
> > So, you're saying that Wilber's parents practice TM, but Wilber
> > doesn't see the 'shit they're embedded in'? Go figure.
> >
> > You are supposed to read the book BEFORE you make your comments.
> 
> If I wanted to know what he thought, I'd read something more recent,  
> the book you're referencing is 20 years old.

I think you 2 guys mean something completely different by "lowdown". 
I practiced TM for decades, did most every course possible, lived in
ffld for decades and did some independent poking around as the kool
aid wore off, but still knew only a fraction of the lowdown until I
was put in touch with some ex personal secretaries of MMY, skin boys.
 Even they only know bits and pieces of what really goes on based on
what their job was.  The lowdown on the TMO is much more secret than
most movts.  Wilber may know some things about the practice, but
practically nothing about the movt I'd wager.












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