--- In [email protected], "markmeredith2002" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Sounds very nice .. but I detect a few caveats are in order.  

Quite a few, actually.

> One is that Divine Intelligence (DI) isn't looking to flow just
> through people who have completed the official 21 day course, 
> offered by the latest hot hindu guru or his certified 
> representative, whose $3000 check has successfully cleared, 
> and is in good psychological and lifestyle standing within the 
> guru's mov't.  DI flows much more freely (heck even 14 day 
> course graduates might have it).  Maybe there's some
> juice flowing right now in this group, but if it forgets the 
> all pervasive nature of DI it has already sown the seeds of 
> its corruption.  

'DI' sounds as atrocious to me as some of the silly
TM acronyms.  :-)  It's just a brand name.

The experience is what it is.  Calling it a fancy
name like 'Divine Intelligence' doesn't make it
either divine or intelligent.

> Also, these sorts of phenomenon always have a big psychological 
> or placebo effect, at least partially.  Spiritual people tend 
> to be amazingly naive about the science of this effect.  

Absolutely. Especially people who have been looking
in vain for some kind of experience for decades in
the TMO or other organization that talked a good game
but never delivered. Give such people a little hit of 
even low-grade kundalini and they think they've seen God.  :-)

> Still placebos are real, they can have real added benefits - 
> it's just that you need to distinguish what is psychological 
> and what is truly spiritual, what is your own natural DI 
> and what is coming from an "enlightened" guru -- or usually 
> disappointments come up later.

If you're expecting such experiences to be anything
*BUT* temporary, you're already setting yourself
up for a disappointment, in my opinion.  The teacher
doesn't really "give" anything, although it can be
perceived that way from the student's point of view.

And the experience, as neat as it might be and as
useful at getting rid of doubts ("Oh my gawd...you
mean enlightenment really *does* exist!"), is very
much a temporary experience. If it inspires you to
keep on truckin' and doin' the things that might
make it a more permanent experience for you, then 
transmission/empowerment/shaktipat/diksha might be 
a good thing for you.  If, however, all it does is 
turn you into a diksha junkie, saving up for your next 
"hit" of bliss from the guru, then in my opinion you 
could've saved a lot of time and money by just buying 
drugs.  One kind of junkie is pretty much the same 
as the other kind of junkie.








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