--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> 
wrote:
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> 
wrote:
> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <no_reply@> 
> > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > See above.  You're just making excuses.
> > > > 
> > > > No, I was assuming that people were learning because of 
> > > > recent news on the subject. 
> > > 
> > > Faulty assumption, probably made because you have
> > > a rather unhealthy reliance on science, taught to
> > > you by the TMO.  :-)
> > 
> > No, just an assumption that people decide to do things 
> > because they hear something about other people doing 
> > things. It's called "advertising," though it doesn't 
> > need to be organized by the people with the "product."
> 
> Lawson, wake up and smell the soma.
> 
> You think this way because you've dealt for thirty
> years with people who treated meditation as a *product*.
> They're trying to make *money* by *selling* this 
> product. That's all they're interested in; that's 
> all they've *ever* been interested in.
> 
> The Buddhists are treating meditation as a valuable
> resource that is priceless.  They believe it should
> *never* be sold, and so they pay for all the costs of 
> teaching themselves, so that it can be made available
> free as a *service*, NOT a "product."

As Judy would say: non sequitur. We were talking about why now 
instead of 5 years ago.

> 
> People off the street actually *respond* to this.
> Whereas when they get the vibe of a bunch of money-
> grubbers trying to justify an unconscionable price
> for something they've turned into a "product,"
> they're turned off.
> 
> YOU reflect the TM mindset.  You really can't even
> *conceive* of meditation as anything but a product
> any more.
> 
> > > > Why are people learning Buddhist meditation NOW, 
> > > > rather than 5 years ago, do you suppose or have 
> > > > the number of people starting remained constant?
> > > 
> > > Probably because they look around and see that most
> > > of the people around them aren't happy and fulfilled.  
> > > And then they look at these Buddhist teachers, and 
> > > see that they are happy and fulfilled. Simple as that.
> > 
> > But why now and not 5 years ago?
> 
> You said they weren't learning five years ago.  I 
> didn't agree with you.  They were.  They always
> have been.  There has been a steady influx of people
> coming to this organization to learn meditation for
> free since it was started.  The only difference 
> lately is that they've been offering lectures and 
> classes at the university, closer to where the 
> students actually are.

OK, that's information I didn't know.

> 
> You're just in knee-jerk mode, trying (once again)
> to assert that TM is "better" than other techniques,
> and trying to find some way to explain why people
> are attracted to Tibetan Buddhist meditation and
> not attracted to TM.  Well duh...just LOOK at the
> two different organizations, the people who repre-
> sent those organizations, and how they present 
> themselves and what they have to offer.  One is 
> all about selfless service and offering a service
> for free, and the other is all selfish self-interest
> and making money by selling a product.
> 
> It's really as simple as that.  No amount of pseudo-
> science about TM the product is EVER going to be able 
> to wash away the bad taste that the public gets from
> those who have turned a valuable service *into* a 
> product.
>

Of course, you're assuming that its pseudo-science, and that most 
people get a "bad taste" etc.






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