--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> 
> wrote:
> >
> > I prefer TM, and have reached my own conclusions about it. 
> > If someone sees benefit in another technique, fine, whether 
> > it produces the same results, or not.
> > 
> > Scientific facts are great to substantiate our views, but 
> > rarely do they change them, imo. Science operates primarily 
> > in the realm of the intellect, whereas beliefs are held in 
> > the heart.
> 
> Scientific facts are also sometimes used as "stand-ins"
> for experiences that people have not had personally. For
> example, if the practice in question is theoretically
> supposed to produce enlightenment experiences but the
> practitioner has never had enlightenment experiences 
> personally, he or she can point to the research and
> say, "See...enlightenment does happen as a result of
> practicing technique X," and feel better about contin-
> uing his or her practice of that technique. In such a
> case, the research serves as intellectual fodder, but 
> it also serves as an emotional "carrot."
> 
> And I guess this is fine, except that the map is not 
> the territory. The scientific "measurements" of 
> enlightenment are never going to be enlightenment.
> 
> The studies done on higher states of consciousness are 
> always, in my opinion, going to be playing "catch up" 
> to the real thing, trying to describe or measure some-
> thing that can only be experienced, and that by its 
> very nature can never be described or measured.
>

That's true of carrots also... Not to mention cake, sex, a flower, 
both scent and sight...





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