--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> 
wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> 
wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB 
<no_reply@> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > <snip>
> > > > > > From my point of view, Lawson represents an almost-
> > > > > > perfect example of the "TM paradigm," which is based on
> > > > > > the assumption that the TM view of things and descrip-
> > > > > > tion of things is correct, and that any view or 
description
> > > > > > that differs from that is by definition incorrect. 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Well of course. However, I'm well aware that my paradigm 
may be
> > > > > flawed, incorrect and/or incomplete.
> > > > 
> > > > And one of the ways you *find out* whether your
> > > > paradigm is flawed, incorrect, and/or incomplete
> > > > is to compare it closely with other paradigms,
> > > > including the rationales for those paradigms, and
> > > > scientific research if it's available.
> > > > 
> > > > Barry's basing his accusation that you aren't open
> > > > to other paradigms on the fact that you're doing
> > > > exactly what would be expected if you *were* open
> > > > to other paradigms.
> > > 
> > > But the scientific paradigm is one that Barry rejects (when it
> > > suits him, I think) when dealing with spiritual matters.
> > 
> > Oh, indeed.  I noted *that* odd contradiction in an
> > earlier post.  Barry positively foamed at the mouth
> > when Shemp asked him about evidence for his claim of
> > having seen Frederick Lenz levitate, for example, but
> > derided those who believed in a past golden age as
> > recounted in the Vedas because there was no scientific
> > evidence for it.
> > 
> > But I don't think he's referring to the scientific
> > paradigm here, rather the TM paradigm of the nature
> > and mechanics of consciousness.
> 
> Yes, but the core of the scientific paradigm is to be open to the
> possibility that you might be wrong (or right for that matter) and 
> to methodically work to discover what aspects of what you believe 
> are wrong/right and in what context.

Oh, I see what you're saying.  So it's a second layer
of contradiction.  *Very* funny.

> The TM paradigm about consciousness assumes that it CAN be studied,
> at least to some extent externally, by using the various tools of 
> Science.

Right.





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