wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "jyouells2000" <jyouells@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], anon_couscous_ff <no_reply@>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > About a month ago I heard that total tax on a gallon was $0.67.
> Ouch
> > > > Lots of money....
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > JohnY
> > >
> > >
> > > Its quite low, huh. If congress and the admin had been far
sighted and
> > > had some courage 10-20 years ago -- best yet 30 years ago during the
> > > first oil crises, and added an annual cumulative 10-20 cent tax
on gas
> > > (all BTUs actually) and plowed the full tax revenues back into
> > > aggressive incentives for more far more efficient cars, different
> > > types of engines (natural gas, electric, hybrid) as well as
doing far
> > > more to jump start solar and wind, etc, demand for gas would have
> > > gone way down, total prices would have fallen (at least relative to
> > > their actual trend), total gas bills would have decreased (50% use x
> > > reduced oil price + tax), arab sponsored terrorism would have been
> > > funded far less, the air would be cleaner, greenhouse gas buildup
> > > would be far less, GNP would be growing faster, and the reveneus we
> > > see now going to oil companies oil lease holders would be far less,
> > > defense spending would have been far less (to keep oil lanes open,
> > > oil sponsored terrorists at bay, and the US rep around the world
would
> > > have been far more friendly -- for not beefing up oil patrons,
> > > invading oil countries,etc.
> > >
> > Gov't is not that farsighted, it tends toward selfish-interest ...
> > capitalism might do it, if the price keeps climbing.
> >
> > JohnY
> > ps. pundits won't do it either...
> >
>
> Markets will do it eventually. As gas gets to $4-5+. But we will have
> missed out on 30 years of dramatic benefits -- and 30 years, plus
> another so many, where the negative aspects of non-policy manifest.
>
> Some will argue that the market is always superior to an incentives
> policy. Sometimes it is. If the market is able to collect for all a
> "products" costs and benefits, then themarket should do so. When the
> market does not naurally do so, an intelligent incentives policy is
> superior.
>
The chances of getting an intelligent incentives policy for energy
from the gov't is only slightly better than the chances of getting a
group of pundits in FF after all the money is collected. The energy
market will eventually do it, almost certainly.
JohnY
> Pollution is a classic example where the market by itself is highly
> inefficint in collecting full product costs. With oil, it literally
> dumps these extra product costs on society. Plus the "oil" gets a free
> ride from the military without paying the "protection" and defense
> costs necessary for the US level of oil consumption.
>
> So its a matter of structuring intelligent and efficient ways for the
> market to pay for the uncollected costs oil imposes. And the double
> jackpot is that with these now collected revenues -- incentives can
> be structured to jumpstart the transformation of the market to -- in
> this case -- far lower oil and energy use, and resulting pollution,
> per unit of GNP.
>
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