wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" <shempmcgurk@>
> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk"
> <shempmcgurk@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk"
> > > <shempmcgurk@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend"
> <jstein@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig"
> <sparaig@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk"
> > > > > <shempmcgurk@>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > <snip>
> > > > > > > > > ...if people keep voting those same 90% into
office
> > > > > > > > > with all the alleged "corruption", wouldn't you
say
> > > > > > > > > that the people get the government that they
deserve?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Like duh, but given the quality of our educational
> > > > > > > > system, what can you expect?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It's not the educational system so much as the media.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "The media"?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Remember that "the media" includes the internet and, by
> > > > > > definition, this forum.
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, it does if that's how you define it. I don't.
> > > >
> > > > Then you are out of touch with the times.
> > >
> > > Um, no. As I went on to say, "I was referring to the
> > > mainstream media, TV and print (which is what people
> > > usually mean by 'the media'").
> >
> > Not any more it's not.
>
> Shemp, this is another of your silly (and uninformed)
> arguments. When people talk about "the media," they
> usually *still* mean the mainstream media, TV and
> print. That the Internet has become a source of
> information for many doesn't change what people mean
> when they use the term.
>
I don't care what OTHER people mean by the term...I know what the
PROPER definition is...and the proper definition includes the
internet.
See wikipedia.com and search "media". You'll see that, while
correct in your claim that it "usually" means the mainstream media
that the proper understanding includes the internet.
> > One of the main sources of information for not only the public
but
> > for journalists themselves is the drudgereport which is NOT on
any
> > of the "mainstream media" as you call it (except for Drudge's
> > Sunday night radio show).
>
> Irrelevant. "The media" usually refers to the
> mainstream media, as I said. It does not usually
> mean "where I personally get my information."
>
> And I suspect you have a highly exaggerated notion of
> what percentage of people use the Internet as a source
> of information about politics.
>
> > I would suspect if you took a poll at random of a 1,000
Americans a
> > vast majority would include the internet within the definition
> > of "the media".
>
> It would depend on how you asked the question, of
> course.
>
> When right-wingers grouse about "the liberal media," do
> you think they're including the Internet? (Careful, now.)
>
> <snip>
> > > Not the least bit curious, in fact. If I had meant
> > > to include the Internet, I'd have said, "the media
> > > and the Internet." That's because "the media" usually
> > > refers to TV and print,
> >
> > You're so wrong here.
> >
> > For the past 10 years, "the media" has of course included the
> > internet.
>
> No, Shemp, sorry, not in common usage, it hasn't. It
> still usually refers to the mainstream media, TV and print.
>
> <snip>
> > > > Judy, at least 25% of all my discussion with you are,
according
> > > > to you "non sequiturs".
> > >
> > > Which raises the question, why do you so often use
> > > non sequiturs in your discussions? (And not just
> > > with me by any means.)
> >
> > non sequitur.
>
> Not at all. Look how you've managed to get this
> discussion off track. You use non sequiturs to
> divert attention from your mistakes.
>
> Basta.
>
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