--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
> There are apparently traditions where the teacher holds absolute
> power over the student, to the point that they must test and
> confirm each state that the student achieves, or strives to
> achieve.
>
> Can't comment more on that becuase such a thing is unappealing
> to me.

Me, too, if for no other reaosn it presumes that the
teacher within that tradition is *able* to discern a
particular student's spiritual progress, with regard
to some useful standard. I have seen no evidence in
any of my spiritual travels that convinces me this
is true.

> Just have one thing to add, and that is that the sense of
> liberation, of enlightenment, of realization, is so unmistakable,
> that no outside confirmation is necessary.

I agree. I think where a lot of people get hung up
is when the experiencer tries to qualify where his
or her experience was along some silly "scale" of
spiritual experiences. 

Personally, I don't believe that the experiencer
himself can do this, and I don't believe that any-
one "outside" the experiencer (such as a teacher
or a tradition) can do it, either. That pretty
much leaves the experience itself, and whether
it sounds as if it was a neat one or a not-so-
neat one.  :-)







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