shempmcgurk wrote:

>--- In [email protected], Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > shempmcgurk wrote:
> >
> > >--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@>
> > >wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@>
>wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@>
> > >wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In [email protected], Rick Archer
> > > > > > <fairfieldlife@> wrote:
> > > > > > > on 5/20/06 10:29 AM, Sal Sunshine at salsunshine@ wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Judy, I really don't know what to say.  If you haven't
> > >come
> > > > > > > > across the fear factor in dealing with the TMO, or in
> > >dealing
> > > > > > > > with people who have dealt with it, consider yourself
> > >lucky.
> > > > > > > > The pragmatism people employ when they follow everyday,
> > > > > > > > commonsense rules that are almost universal, and the
> > >strain
> > > > > > > > they resort to when dealing with the TMO's incredibly
> > >dumb,
> > > > > > > > capricious rules that change with the wind and often
>seem
> > > > > > > > motivated by little else other than sheer
> > > > > > > > meanness, are totally different.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A friend of mine once told me how mortified he was when
>his
> > > > > > > dentist started asking him about TM during a treatment,
> > > > > > > because he (my friend) wasn¹t wearing a suit and tie.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hah. :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > But let's face it, someone who has never been a
> > > > > > teacher or lived in a TM community is just never
> > > > > > going to get the level of fear that the movement
> > > > > > exerts over people. Give it up. They'd prefer to
> > > > > > believe their fantasies.
> > > > >
> > > > > I lived in a TM community for nine months back in
> > > > > 1994-95, the one in the Berkeley-Carteret Hotel in
> > > > > Asbury Park.  I've written about the experience
> > > > > extensively, including on this forum, so Barry is
> > > > > well aware of that fact.
> > > > >
> > > > > Never once did I experience any "fear" over what
> > > > > the TMO might "do to me."
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, and I was a regular participant on alt.m.t
> > > > > throughout that period.
> > > >
> > > > Just to clarify (not that Barry will read any of this,
> > > > let alone correct his misstatement; what he's afraid
> > > > of is cognitive dissonance):
> > > >
> > > > I am *of course* not suggesting that the TMO never
> > > > does anything horrible to people, or that fear isn't
> > > > justified in some cases.
> > > >
> > > > The original remark I was commenting on, again, had to
> > > > do with someone saying they needed to change their
> > > > screen name on FFL, presumably because they wanted to
> > > > avoid being identified with a group of naysayers.
> > > > That maneuver was characterized as an example of "fear"
> > > > of what the TMO might "do to" the person.
> > > >
> > > > I didn't even feel the need to do that on alt.m.t--
> > > > I was using my real name--but I might well have done
> > > > if I'd been interested in, say, going on TTC, just
> > > > out of prudence.
> > > >
> > > > But there's a big difference between doing something
> > > > out of *prudence* and doing it out of *fear*, if you
> > > > want to be able to do something you might be prevented
> > > > from doing if you didn't exercise the prudence.  We
> > > > "go along to get along" in all sorts of ways just in
> > > > the course of daily life.
> > > >
> > > > Save the fear-mongering for the cases in which it
> > > > actually applies.
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >I would be afraid to live in either NYC or DC because I am deathly
> > >afraid that those two loctions are the first places where suitcase
> > >nuclear bombs are going to be detonated.
> > >
> > >Fear or prudence?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > You just need to watch out that those "Phoenix Lights" don't beam
>you
> > up.  :)
> >
>
>...speaking of which: about 7 years ago at about 7pm at night I
>walked down my street to a post box to mail a letter.  I live in a
>typical suburb of about 300,000 people.
>
>Upon approaching the mail box I saw a fast-moving white light in the
>sky moving very quickly...faster than the laws of physics would
>suggest it could move...and then it divided into two and the two
>separate lights moved up very quickly in the sky in a "V" pattern.
>
>Quite beautiful to look at.
>
>But I didn't think about it for several months because being in the
>middle of a suburb I simply assumed that at least 50,000 other
>people would have also seen it.  It wasn't like I was alone out in
>the country where I would have been the only one to have seen it.
>
>Well, apparently, thousands of others did see similar things and I
>guess that's what you call the Phoenix Lights.
>

>
http://www.cnn.com/US/9706/19/ufo.lights/



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