wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], Bhairitu <noozguru@> wrote:
> >
> > Somehow he (like many pro-Vietnam people did) has
> > misconstrued our discussion as being anti-vet. I
> > happen to know quite a few vets who would agree
> > with my original statement.
>
> I don't know any who wouldn't agree with it, at least
> not any I've known who fought from Vietnam onwards.
>
> > Unfortunately most figured it out too late.
> >
> > So if they're "fighting for our freedom" then why
> > don't they throw a military coup and depose King
> > George and his minions who are the biggest
> > threat to "our freedom" in the history of this country.
>
> That's my point, too.
>
> The whole myth of 'honor the fallen dead' from all
> these wars is a way to NOT TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR
> FIGHTING THE WARS. The problem's always with the
> 'leaders,' who start them. Well, duh...the problem's
> with the people who agree to fight them. There will
> always be leaders who want war. Until the people
> start saying NO to them, there will be wars.
>
> That doesn't mean that many of them didn't say YES
> for noble reasons, but in my opinion to continue
> this Memorial Day fiasco, in which people publicly
> praise people for saying YES to war, and portray
> them as noble and heroic for having done so, is to
> prolong and glorify the whole idea of war, and make
> sure it sticks around in the future. What the world
> needs is more Memorial Day services that honor those
> who said NO when their leaders told them to go to war.
>
> "People should not be afraid of their governments,
> governments should be afraid of the people."
> -- from V for Vendetta
>
Interesting that you would quote the above from "V for Vendetta"
because it could pretty much be the motto of the NRA.
The only way government CAN be afraid of its people is if the people
are armed...and, not surprisingly, that is the main reason for the
2nd amendment: to protect themselves against a tyrannical central
government.
On a related note: This morning on TV I saw about 1/2 of the
movie "Time after Time", a 1979 movie starring Malcolm McDowell as
H.G. Wells who travels in his time machine to 1970s San Francisco to
persue Jack the Ripper who also used the machine. At one point
Wells hooks up with Jack and Jack tells him that modern day America
is custom-made for him, what with all its violence and sexual
deviancy. But one of the comments he makes -- with Wells
concurring -- was totally off the mark. In order to emphasize the
violence of America, he says to Wells: it's amazing...here in
America anyone can go into a gun store and buy a gun!
The reason this is off the mark is that in London during the
Victorian era virtually everyone owned a handgun...it was a common
as owning a TV is today. And practically everyone carried it with
them, just as in the Wild West.
What's even more amazing is that despite an almost universal
ownership of guns, the murder rate by guns in London at that time
was almost next to nothing...maybe one or two a year.
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