<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote:
> > > On Jun 5, 2006, at 11:14 AM, new_morning_blank_slate wrote:
> > >
> > > > Can a student "get it" (things tantric) via transmission?
> > >
> > > Well, it depends what you mean by *transmission*. In
> > > some lineages you always receive a transmission before
> > > you practice, that's your "initiation" and permission
> > > to do the practice.
> >
> > I got the impression nmbs was asking whether entire
> > techniques and realizations can be transmitted to the
> > student 'mind to mind,' without the use of words. If
> > that was the question, I'd have to answer that with
> > a big "Yes."
>
> Yes. That was what nmbs was asking. (I am pleased you received
> that transmission clearly. :) )
>
> And thus supporting, though in no way proving, the following
> train of logic and possibilities:
I support none of the speculations below or your
assumed answsers to them. I dealt only with one
question. It does not relate to your followup
questions or to what you seem to want to do
with this information in any way.
> 1) did SBS practice (real) tantra? Apparently yes.
>
> 2) did MMY use or teach some tantric things (regardless of what he
> called them)? Apparently yes.
>
> 3) Could SBS have known and even taught things (possibly including
> tantric) he did not personally practice? Apparently yes.
>
> 4) Could SBS have taught MMY tantric things appropriate for
> householders (his focus for MMY)? Possibly.
>
> 5) Could SBS or other teachers have taught MMY tantric things by
> (passive or active) "transmission"? Possibly.
>
> 6) Could MMY have learned tantric things via Ritam, mandala, or
> some other means of inner knowldge? Possibly.
>
> 7) Did MMY experiment and test lots of things? Emphatically yes.
>
> 8) Could MMY have sought to test some sexual tantric practices
> that he
> picked up i) directly from a teacher, or, ii) via transmission, or
> iii) from other yogis (tat walla babba,etc), or iv) from pundits
> /scriptures? Possibly.
>
> 9) Could MMY have solely sought raw sensual pleasure from his
> encounters? Possibly. (But doesn't fit his MO,IMO.)
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