--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected],
> "tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlis" 
> > <tomandcindytraynoratfairfieldlist@> wrote:
> > >
> > > TorquiseB writes snipped:
> > > Life is *full* of contradictions. So, as far as
> > > I can tell, is enlightenment. Before enlightenment,
> > > Chop Suey and contradictions; after enlightenment,
> > > Chop Suey and contradictions. And occasionally a 
> > > side order of General Tsao's Chicken, just to 
> > > spice things up.
> > > 
> > > Tom T:
> > > As someone mentioned at Satsang last week. On the one hand 
> > > I know that I am the Self completely. On the other hand how 
> > > come my life is a totaling f**king mess. Answer. Brahman is 
> > > the fullness of life. You know that old 200% of life they 
> > > promised. It ain't going to happen the way you thought it 
> > > would. Get over it. Welcome to that truly unique
> > > view of the 200% of life. Enjoy Tom
> > 
> > Or maybe someone who "knows" they are "the Self completely" 
> > isn't enlightened the way MMY was talking about?
> 
> Or maybe Maharishi is "talking about" these things based
> on his understanding of things he's been told, and is
> not actually enlightened himself. I'm only mentioning
> it because you never seem to consider this option. I 
> certainly do. 
> 
> > Maybe enlightenment isn't about "know" in the sense they 
> > are using the word?
> 
> What else could it possibly be about? "Scientific 
> measurements?" Those are as open to interpretation as
> any subjective experience.

Maybe it isn't about *intellectual* knowing but
rather *experiential* knowing.

> > If they are enlightened, why are they worried enough 
> > about the "f**king mess" to even bother bringing it up?
> 
> You obviously are under the impression that all your
> worldly problems are going to stop when you realize
> your enlightenment.

How odd that you would come to such a conclusion.
As I read what Lawson said, he obviously is not
under that impression at all.  The operative
phrase is "worried enough about."



 I wish you good luck with that
> belief.  :-)  :-)  :-)
>







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