Scarey stuff - stranger than the stuff they oppose. Lots of old TM-ex > articles under new banners. All under the cover of psychology. Didn't > they start out by kidnapping people and 'deprogramming' them? > > JohnY
Pat has never been involved with kidnapping although the previous generations of "deprogrammers" did do some illegal stuff like that. By the time Pat got involved with the work, using Lifton and Singer's principles of thought reform, "exit counseling" was an educational process. They have years of experience presenting material that can be helpful in restoring a person's perspective about the group they are involved in. Much of the perspective is not far off from what I hear people talking about here concerning the control agenda of movements verses the freedom of thought promoted by the mission statement of this group. The goal of through reform education is to present material concerning the way beliefs are gained, not the content of those beliefs. I found the material fascinating concerning our cognitive vulnerabilities. It is not a replacement of content, it is a re-evaluation of how someone came to believe, the process, to restore perspective and choice. It seems obvious to me that many people here have done this on their own given the freedom of thought represented here. If you have a discussion with hard-line TMers you don't get the same openness. That closed mindedness is a result of a process, studied and described in detail by Singer and Lifton. --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gimari03 <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > Tks Doug! > > > > > > Your offer of assistance is appreciated. > > > I agreed to try to locate the document about the Initiator > recertification course for > > > someone. > > > > > > Otherwise, am not researching TMO nor FF for anything. I grew up > in the movement, > > > initiated as a child in the Olsen's house in '60s. As a teen, I > moved to FF in 1974(?) w/ > > the > > > chartered flight from MIU Santa Barbara, left FF in 1988. I > remain in contact w/ some > > > FFers. > > > I always enjoy visting. Maybe can arrange to visit annually for a > week. > > > > > > At another request, I presented about my TM upbringing at the > recent conference the > > > "International Cultic Studies Association" ICSA. The > presentation was videoed. I've not > > > seen the video/DVD yet. It was NOT a formal presentation. I did > NOT discuss the > > > movement nor TM per se... only MY experience of my upbringing > within the TMO. > > > > > > > Qh, well: > > > > Patrick L. Ryan -Cultic Studies Review, Editorial Board; > > AFF Webmaster > > Patrick Ryan, a former member of Transcendental Meditation, has been > a Thought Reform > > Consultant since 1984. > > > > He is Editor of AFF News: Recovery Information About Cults And > Psychological > > Manipulation and designs and implements AFF's Internet Web site. > > > > He is the founder and former head of TM-EX, the organization of > ex-members of TM. > > > > He has contributed to AFF's book, Recovery From Cults, and has > presented programs > > about hypnosis and trance-induction techniques at several AFF > workshops conferences. > > > > In 1997, he received the AFF Achievement Award. > > > Scarey stuff - stranger than the stuff they oppose. Lots of old TM-ex > articles under new banners. All under the cover of psychology. Didn't > they start out by kidnapping people and 'deprogramming' them? > > JohnY > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
