--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <jflanegi@> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > --- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" 
<jflanegi@> 
> > > > wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > > > Did you hear that TM is a dualistic meditation from 
someone? 
> > > > > If so, I'd be curious to know who.
> > > > 
> > > > Vaj used to be a TM teacher.  You knew that, right?
> > > 
> > > No I didn't- regardless, it is easy to see how this 
misperception 
> > > of the TM technique as a dualistic one could occur, if the 
> > > technique is not practiced to its fruition.
> > 
> > It's hard for me to see how it could occur for a
> > trained TM teacher (or any TMer who has been paying
> > attention, for that matter), whether the technique is
> > practiced to fruition or not.
> > 
> > In any case, this particular misperception certainly
> > has a lot of consequences in terms of attempted
> > comparisons to other techniques/paths.
> 
> I comment here only to point out (yet again) the
> sermon on orthodoxy. And delivered by a non-TM
> teacher, to boot.
> 
> TM is all about orthodoxy. There is a "right" way
> to think and act, a "right" interpretation of all
> the scriptures and of individual experiences.

There's also a "right" way to ride a bicycle.

<snip>
> The reason I'm commenting is that I for one am 
> really tired of attempts to denigrate someone who
> has an opinion *other* than that contained in the
> official, orthodox TM dogma as having "not paid
> attention" when he was part of the TM movement, or 
> having "misunderstood" what was said. Some of us
> understood it quite well, thank you, and still do.

Not including you and Vaj, among other former TM
teachers, however.

Opinions based on lack of understanding and
inaccuracies and permeated with hostile bias
aren't worth a whole heckuva lot.

<snip>
> Vaj, at least, seems to be able to think for himself,
> something that many of his detractors cannot be
> accused of.

Barry to me, awhile back on alt.m.t:

Vaj is more your kinda meat.  He's *exactly* 
like you (although not as smart as you and 
considerably less honest).

Barry to the group, awhile back on alt.m.t:

The whole point of bringing this up was to see 
whether Vaj, who has been playing the "my lineage 
is better than your lineage, so I know what's true 
and what isn't" card since he arrived here, understands 
that his position is just as much based on FAITH as 
TMers' assumption that TM is unique or that their 
technique is "the best" or whatever.

Barry to Vaj, awhile back on alt.m.t:

>   "Any scientist who can't explain what he's working 
>    on to a twelve year old is a charlatan." 
>           - Kurt Vonnegut, "Cat's Cradle" 


That was the "meat" of what I had to say to you. 
You're lazy.  It seems you can only talk about 
these things using the terms that you are familiar 
with.  It's much more difficult to try to put things 
into more universal terms so that anyone can under- 
stand them.  That's where the metal meets the road, 
and you find out whether the person really knows what 
he's talking about or whether he's just spouting shit 
he's been told.  It's also where you learn whether 
someone is just trying to communicate or is merely 
trying to sell his trip and puff up his ego.  T'would 
seem that you have established which you are... 







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