--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], gerbal88 <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], gerbal88 <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Jun 29, 2006, at 9:37 PM, Rick Archer wrote: > > > > > > > > > on 6/29/06 8:19 PM, off_world_beings at > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> You got nothing. You are just looking for attention, but > will > > > find > > > > >> something to make up that is totally unsubstantiated and > > > > >> uncorroborated by the majority of the people who were there. > > > > >> > > > > > That's true, because the majority who were there weren't in > > the > > > > > inner circle. But those in the inner circle soon learned > that > > > MMY's > > > > > private and public personae were quite different. This > > discovery > > > > > caused the majority of MMY's personal secretaries to leave > the > > > > > movement. __ > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks for mentioning this, I think this important point is > not > > > > mentioned enough. As word leaked out about his duplicity it > > helped > > > > many make the decision to split. Once you knew the public side > > was > > > > essentially a front, a facade and M. a poseur, you realize > it's > > > just > > > > a business. That's one of the reasons many believe the words > > > > attributed to Guru Dev when he said 'go to the mountains to > > > meditate, > > > > you'll never be good at anything other than making money.' > (huge > > > > paraphrase). > > > > > > > > "Mahesh has been interested in power, in the accumulation of > > > money, > > > > and in women. Why does he live in a big house, own > helicopters, > > > > airplanes, etc? Why does he spend most of his time involved > in > > > > business planning about making money? It is because he is a > > > > businessman who has the desires that other wealthy businessmen > > > have. > > > > His spiritual front is his scam and the way he gets people to > > give > > > > him their time and money." --Earl Kaplan > > > > > > > > > > Accurate insight, in my opinion, Vaj. Ture believers will always > > find > > > reason to believe. Like the Jehovah's witnesses, the more you > point > > > out the flaws, the stronger they grow. When they come to the > door I > > > just tell them I'm a reformed Druid (we're allowed to worship > > > bushes). It's an old M*A*S*H* joke. > > > > > > If you read Joyce Collin-Smith's "Call No Man Master" or Paul > > Mason's > > > Mahesh bio, it's perfectly clear that Mahesh is all about > getting > > > himself worshiped. > > > > > > I clearly remember the newspaper stories: he declared his > mission > > > failure and said he was retiring to the Himilayas. It was AFTER > > this > > > that the Beatles made him famous and he bounced back with a > > vengence. > > > First he created huge numbers of TM teachers (Mallorca, Fiuggi, > La > > > Antilla). He coo'd like a dove cooing to another dove from whom > it > > > hoped to borrow money (favourite Wodehouse quote) at the peak of > > > rounding: no one can love you like I can, you are going to save > the > > > whole world, get the money from an auntie, from your gran .... > > > > > > Mahesh could be a real slime ball. And, what did he teach on his > 6- > > > month courses? Stuff borrowed and re-worked from Yogananda. I > did > > all > > > of the Yogananda lessons after TM, out of curiosity more than > > > anything else. There were the A of E techniques and contacts > > provided > > > more information about the 6-month courses. Just more of > Yogananda > > > with his lovely spin on it. > > > > > > And the 'sidhi' stuff? He had no idea, literally. He sent people > to > > > India to find yogis; he got obscure translations, he fiddled and > > > fumed and tinkered ... but what worked best was the cooing, > get 'em > > > all spacey and suggest hopping. How simple; he'd always known > that > > > people would pay him for what they expected to get in return and > > that > > > he never had any trouble convincing them it was their fault it > > wasn't > > > working. He still bitches about too much negativity, too little > > work > > > being done by others, yadda, yadda. > > > > > > The "real" Mahesh is someone completely imaginary for most > people. > > > But, yes, there was an inner circle, people who liked what they > > were > > > doing and since he was providing room and board and the company > of > > > each other, they didn't particularly object doing it for him. > But > > > behind closed doors, the discussion shifted to how completely > > bonkers > > > Mahesh was. Stripped of his public facade, he was a nutter with > > > charm, intelligence, charisma by the sackful. But his ideas and > his > > > wast wedic wevelations were total kaka. It was all provided by > > people > > > who not only told him what the Sanskrit said, but what the > Sanskrit > > > meant. > > > > > > It was all spindoctoring based on the work of others. > > > > > > Do nothing, accomplish everything took on a whole new meaning. > YOU > > > bust your balls and I take all the credit. > > > > > > Well, that was fun. Nothing new, but fun. Those who see, see. > Those > > > who don't see, still see. A finger points at the moon. Some will > > > always and only consider the finger. > > > > > > Happy trails. There are better things to do than worry about > some > > Jim > > > Jones type dressed in sheets and wearing makeup. > > > > > > > Damn, I left out one piece of the puzzle that makes everything > post- > > Beatles interesting. Pre-Beatles, Mahesh was nothing more than a > > travelling TM teacher with a winning personality. Post, he had a > huge > > mission: create adoring fans (Mallorca, Fiuggi, La Antilla) and > then > > sell them AofE and 'sidhi'. Once you're on a roll like that, you > > simply cannot fail. Sure, he was broke. He had to do something to > > float his life-style. So, create a buying public to whom you can > > exclusively sell your concoctions. He made $11million the first > time > > he did the 'sidhi' thing across the US by conference call. After > > that, people would simply line up to buy whatever was next. > > > > And in private, no one laughed at the followers more than Mahesh. > > Even at Estes Park he told the story of the First Grader coming > home > > to tell mom and dad "this is A and this is B" ... in his eyes, his > > new teachers were being sent forth in pricesly the same state. And > > they were charging money for it and he was getting half. AND these > > people loved him for it. Who said a little knowledge was a > dangerous > > thing! Hah! Give people a little knowledge and they'll bust their > > butt for you. > > > > Sure TM feels good. It's a technique of escapism into a > > depersonalized, detached and easily manipulated state of suspended > > judgement. Rounding simply upps it to a mechanism for implanting > > whatever ideas the "leader" feels are in his best interests. > > > > Joe Kellett has nicely explained this, much more clearly and > > accurately than I am able to at his well-thought out web site: > > Falling Down the TM Rabbit Hole http://www.suggestibility.org/ > > > > So many people were so overwhelmed by the honour of being in > Mahesh's > > presence that there were very, very few of us not rounding, just > > watching. Still, in those days, we still felt TM was worth > spreading > > because we really did feel it was good. But no matter how good you > > might feel TM might be (and I no longer subscribe to that notion), > it > > was plain as day, behind the public performances, that Mahesh was > in > > no way clear about what he wanted to do or how he wanted to do it, > > that was what the punters, the lackeys, the peons were for. > > > > Whether or not Guru Dev approved of Mahesh (keep your friends > close > > and your enemies closer?), Mahesh should never have been let out > of > > the barn. No amount of fiddled scientific studies can convince a > non- > > believer that TM has made the world better. Today is simply not > > better than the 70's. > > > I find your stuff engaging. OK, so let's assume you have convinced > everyone on this board that Mahesh is a bag of weasel shite. We all > agree. He is the scum of the earth. > > Now what? What are you going to do tomorrow? >
Have a nice day, today and tomorrow, your way, the way it makes you happy. Some people are happy letting the bag of weasel shite make their decisions. Others are happy making their own. Nothing's changed. Funny story: when I was first part of International Staff in Mallorca, Mahesh asked me to do something. Another person (who was constantly arsing me about) took me aside and said not to do it because "you know what Maharishi's like". No, actually, I didn't. But I didn't know what to do, so did nothing. When Mahesh asked why I hadn't done what he asked I told him. He got the damnedest look on his face. It had, apparently, never occurred to him that people behind his back were any different from the grovelling sods at his feet! -- Funny how that individual never arsed me about after that, too. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
