--- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> > wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" <shempmcgurk@> > > wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" > > <shempmcgurk@> > > > > wrote: > > <snip> > > > > > And how does Lindzen's getting paid for his consulting > services > > > > > change the reality or unreality of what he says? > > > > > > > > > > How does the attention and political agenda of Al Gore > change > > > > > the reality or unreality of what he says? > > > > > > > > > > Why don't you address what he says and the logic and > > > > > rationality of what he says instead of trying to show that > the > > > > > guy makes a living? > > > > > > > > None of us here has anything remotely approaching the > > > > expertise to address "the reality or unreality" of what > > > > either he or Al Gore has said, of course. The only > > > > possible way for the layperson to evaluate the various > > > > claims is to determine cui bono, who benefits from > > > > promoting which point of view. > > > > > > ...but that wasn't your position with Michael Creighten, Judy. > > > > > > A multimillionaire many, many times over, Creighten has > absolutely > > > NOTHING to gain from opposing global warming hype...indeed, he > > > probably LOSES money by talking about it. > > > > Well, actually he has most likely MADE money from the > > sales of "State of Fear." > > > > But with an apparently independent nonexpert, such as > > Crichton or Al Gore, we evaluate their views by what > > the independent experts have to say about those views. > > ...yet when I publish those views, you find some other way to > diminish their credibility, such as "oh, they get money from oil > companies.
Shemp, read what I wrote again. Note the word "independent." If they get money from oil companies, they aren't independent. > That's why I keep coming back to: okay, then let's just stick to the > facts these people bring out and not the reputations or where they > get the money from. Climate science is far too complicated for the layperson to have a good enough grasp of the facts to be able to evaluate the relative validity of the opposing views. > > > No, your position with Creighten -- an MD, Harvard graduate and > > > recognized as a scientist by most credible people -- was that > > > he wasn't a scientist, so we had to ignore him. > > > > Crichton is most certainly *not* a scientist, and > > most "credible people" recognize that; he admits it > > himself. You're well aware of this, since we went > > over it in some detail on alt.m.t awhile back. An > > MD degree obtained, what, 35 years ago (even if he > > had actually used it), plus a BA degree from Harvard, > > do not qualify him as a climate scientist. <duh> > > ...it's a heck of alot more than Gore has, yet you harp on it > without harping on Gore's lack of qualifications. ROTFL!! *You* claimed Crichton was a scientist. I never claimed Gore was a scientist--to the contrary, I said explicitly that he was *not* a scientist. Shemp, are you sure you don't have ADD? You really have *such* trouble keeping track of conversations. <snip> > > But I never said we had to "ignore" him, any more than > > we have to "ignore" Al Gore because he isn't a > > scientist. To the contrary, unlike you, I went to the > > trouble to look up what independent expert climatologists > > had to say about Crichton's views. > > "independent expert climatologists"...and I'm sure if we were to > look at their agendas or who pays them we'll find something to hang > on them. You're welcome to give it a shot. The fact is, though, the Big Money is on the side of the naysayers, not those who are warning about the global warming crisis. > The bottom line, Judy, is if you truly believe global warming is > the crisis that it is, you will have to be consistent in your > personal life and stop driving cars and taking planes and doing any > activity that adds to global warming. > > Are you ready to do that? No, and it isn't necessary for me to do all that to be consistent either, of course. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Great things are happening at Yahoo! Groups. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/TISQkA/hOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
