--- In [email protected], "Irmeli Mattsson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "Irmeli Mattsson" > <Irmeli.Mattsson@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], off_world_beings <no_reply@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > Well, I may not be enlightened, but due to Maharishi's techniques I > > > > have had experiences of the universe that I could not possibly have > > > > through any other way that I know of(except maybe brain damaging > > > > drugs). And, my direct experience, entirely as a result of his > > > > techniques, is that the world we play in is like flotsam > floating on > > > > a vast ocean of very intensified bliss energy. It is so powerful, > > > > and it is just below the surface of things, and it threatens to > > > > burst into, and overflow our universe at any time. Such an event > > > > would be so powerful that everyone would be transformed in a matter > > > > of minutes. It would be like the magma under the surface of the > > > > Earth, bursting out and flowing all over the surface...only it > would > > > > not be fire, but bliss. I believe this cataclysm is only years, > > > > maybe a few decades away, at most. This is not what I "learned" > from > > > > Maharishi, but my direct and very common experience. It is > physical, > > > > spiritual, and real. > > > > > > > > OffWorld > > > > > > > > > > You experience a lot of bliss and ascribe it to be possible only > > > through the techniques that MMY has brought out, mainly because those > > > techniques are the only ones you have seriously dedicated yourself to > > > practise. > > > I too experience a lot of bliss in a similar way that you describe, > > > but I don't ascribe it solely due to the basic very simple TM > > > technique that is the only technique I have learned through the TMO > > > and only practised for half a year, as it was taught. Most people who > > > have learned this simple technique have benefited very little from it. > > > > > > And you go so far as to violate a solemn promise you made just so > you can teach > > something that people can benefit very little from? > > > > BTW, how do you know that people have benefited very little from it? > > > > When MMY came to the west, he didn't know that most people don't > benefit from it ? > 95% of those people, whom I persuaded to start TM, didn't experience > anything they considered special and important for themselves and > dropped the technique very soon. > > > > > > > > So it cannot be just the technique. For some reason you give MMY > > > credit for something much bigger in which bringing out some simple > > > techniques plays just a minor role. Why? > > > > Why do you say that this is so anyway? > > > > Cannot you understand what I have written? > > > > > > > > > But MMY's role for the values you have adopted is much bigger through > > > the belief system you have adopted from him. That is: all we need is > > > enough bliss to transform and enlighten the whole world. The TMO has > > > been trying to force it to happen. Trying to force one's belief system > > > to become reality is called fundamentalism. But it won't become > > > reality, because reality doesn't obey you. In there being more bliss > > > now many different sources have been playing an important role. The > > > TMO is just one of them. According to my understanding an enlightened > > > person could give appreciation to them all. > > > > > > Bliss solving all the problems is a belief of your's and MMY's, not > > > the reality. And trying to force more bliss to appear has got the TMO > > > to resort to the principle `end justify means'. This principle usually > > > goes together with forcing and manipulation, and often causes more > > > harm than good. > > > Bliss is not all that is needed to transform the world. It is one > > > ingredient, but not sufficient alone. > > > > > Sure it is. Bliss is based on the functioning of the nervous system. > Change the nervous > > system in the right way and you transform a person. Transform enough > people and you > > transform the world, whether or not the Maharishi Effect works or not. > > > > Sure. But by concentrating to create bliss and being oblivious to > other important factors in the functioning of human nervous system, > doesn't make this kind of transformation to appear.
TM is concentration? And TM is always sufficient to generate some degree of Bliss. That's the most amazing thing about it: it really does always work. > > > > > Seeing it being all that is > > > needed is MMY's biggest fallacy. It has justified him dishonest > > > behaviour, because for him how his mind operates doesn't matter, only > > > bliss matters. His thinking has probably gone in the following routes: > > > "Because I'm bringing to the world this absolute bliss, I'm beyond the > > > karmic consequences of my gross level behaviour. It is allowed for me > > > just to make a powerful impression and manipulate people following me. > > > When the bliss transforms the world, I too will be automatically > > > purified.What I now do behind the curtains doesn't really matter." > > > Maybe not on the big cosmic scale. He is too small a speck there. But > > > for his personal evolution it certainly does, and karma he cannot > > > escape.Accepting one's defects and being open with them is in itself > > > transformative. Pretending to be something one is not, even if it > > > happens in the name of a higher good, is degenerative. This is easy > > > to see to be true also for MMY. > > > He has been a messenger boy and brought something important to the > > > west, as have many other teachers. And many people have benefited from > > > his teachings in spite of its weaknesses. > > > > > > I thought you said m ost people didn't benefit from TM> Which is it? > > > > Many have benefited, most of the people who learned TM not. > Nonsense. Everyone who practices TM attains some degree of Bliss. They may not notice it, but the physiological effects are definitely there in everyone measured. > When I read your responses, I get now, as I have got earlier too the > impression, that you work very hard internally, to not to understand > and to distort, what people, who don't agree with your thinking, > write. Apparently you do this with good conscience, because in your > world it is only bliss that matters. > Are you happy with the results this internal methodology has created > in your life? Are you happy? Or maybe it doesn't matter for you. Just > simple bliss matters. Not being happy can be solved eating Prozac? > > For me, Prozac helps counter the effects of the 3-year allergy attack I suffered a few years ago. And ALL of my doctors, counselors and whatnot agree that TM is essential to my health and well-being. > Irmeli > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
