--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > The earliest flying posters perpetrated this deception explicitly. > > Only later did they try to backtrack a little on the claim of > > maximum coherence during flying. Was anyone there when MMY decided > > to put the maximum coherence with flying? I remember it caused a > > bit of a fuss because it was so deceptive. Maybe someone there can > > tell how it happened that those EEG waves got associated with > > flying. > > My guess would be because the *experience* of flying > is so clearly one of maximum coherence. Whether it's > measurable during flying is another question entirely. > > > > > > > > > I remember My MIU class figuring this out because we had all seen > the > > elaborate hookups for EEG and knew this chart had to be false. Do > you > > remember how the first Siddhas were so coy about the flying level > > achieved? That was such an interesting time. Remember the first > > siddi descriptions booklet? I have it around somewhere. That was
> > real piece of work! > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "markmeredith2002" > > <markmeredith@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], bob_brigante <no_reply@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], johnlasher20002000 > > > > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I'm sure any of the psychologists on the list who have > worked > > > > with > > > > > > > EEG biofeedback can attest, and I also have personal > experience > > > > with, > > > > > > > a scalp electrode to provide brainwave feedback only > > measures a tiny > > > > > > > electrical impulse. Any movement or even blinking the > eyes will > > > > > > > interfere with the accuracy of the reading. How can the > TMO > > results > > > > > > > showing maximum brainwave coherence (which is a Fourier > > Analysis of > > > > > > > the outputs) while flying be possible. The movement would > > > > destroy the > > > > > > > data output??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************** > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably those muscle artifacts have a characteristic > > signature which > > > > > > is ignored or minimized by the program which does the fast > > fourier > > > > > > analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's one way of doing it. David OJ says they did it by > visual > > > > inspection of the EEG, which > > > > > is generally more accurate. The MOST accurate way of doing it > is to > > > > have one (or more?) > > > > > time-coded video camera on the person and deleting any EEG > that > > > > occurs when there is a > > > > > visible twitch, but I don't think most researchers bother > with > > > > that, at least not these days. > > > > > > > > While at the Berkeley TM center, I worked with a world class > > > > physiology professor there to do an EEG study of yogic flying, > got > > > > permission for her to watch a flying session and begin > designing the > > > > study. She was a meditator with a positive view of TM, was > excited > > > > about the project. After seeing a flying session, she said it > was > > > > impossible to get anything close to an accurate reading of yogic > > > > flying using an EEG and the coherence studies "during liftoff" > were > > > > nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > "Point of liftoff" not "during liftoff." Interesting that she > > couldn't catch the distinction. > > > Note chart with time plotted along the Y axis. The accompaning text states it is DURING FLYING and the graph indicate this also. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
