--- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thanks for posting the link. I am really surprised that they are > continuing with this blatant lie!
Actually, of course, from that link, you can't tell whether they're lying or not. But don't let that stop you from making the accusation. Arrogance, pure and simple. They > don't give people enough credit that they would know that this claim > is as physically impossible as humans flying in the air. It must be > discouraging for his current students to see that no attempt is being > made to be truthful in this absurd claim. But practically speaking, > no one will ever see this other than people who have already bought > in, so accuracy is a moot point. > > But those EEG scientist who remain mute in the face of scientific > misrepresentation...I hope they have enough Ambien to get through the > long night! > > > > > > --- In [email protected], johnlasher20002000 > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The earliest flying posters perpetrated this deception explicitly. > > > > Only later did they try to backtrack a little on the claim of > > > > maximum coherence during flying. Was anyone there when MMY decided > > > > to put the maximum coherence with flying? I remember it caused a > > > > bit of a fuss because it was so deceptive. Maybe someone there can > > > > tell how it happened that those EEG waves got associated with > > > > flying. > > > > > > My guess would be because the *experience* of flying > > > is so clearly one of maximum coherence. Whether it's > > > measurable during flying is another question entirely. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember My MIU class figuring this out because we had all seen > > > the > > > > elaborate hookups for EEG and knew this chart had to be false. Do > > > you > > > > remember how the first Siddhas were so coy about the flying level > > > > achieved? That was such an interesting time. Remember the first > > > > siddi descriptions booklet? I have it around somewhere. That was > > > > > > > > > > > > real piece of work! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "markmeredith2002" > > > > <markmeredith@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], bob_brigante <no_reply@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], johnlasher20002000 > > > > > > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As I'm sure any of the psychologists on the list who have > > > worked > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > > EEG biofeedback can attest, and I also have personal > > > experience > > > > > > with, > > > > > > > > > a scalp electrode to provide brainwave feedback only > > > > measures a tiny > > > > > > > > > electrical impulse. Any movement or even blinking the > > > eyes will > > > > > > > > > interfere with the accuracy of the reading. How can the > > > TMO > > > > results > > > > > > > > > showing maximum brainwave coherence (which is a Fourier > > > > Analysis of > > > > > > > > > the outputs) while flying be possible. The movement would > > > > > > destroy the > > > > > > > > > data output??? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Probably those muscle artifacts have a characteristic > > > > signature which > > > > > > > > is ignored or minimized by the program which does the fast > > > > fourier > > > > > > > > analysis. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's one way of doing it. David OJ says they did it by > > > visual > > > > > > inspection of the EEG, which > > > > > > > is generally more accurate. The MOST accurate way of doing it > > > is to > > > > > > have one (or more?) > > > > > > > time-coded video camera on the person and deleting any EEG > > > that > > > > > > occurs when there is a > > > > > > > visible twitch, but I don't think most researchers bother > > > with > > > > > > that, at least not these days. > > > > > > > > > > > > While at the Berkeley TM center, I worked with a world class > > > > > > physiology professor there to do an EEG study of yogic flying, > > > got > > > > > > permission for her to watch a flying session and begin > > > designing the > > > > > > study. She was a meditator with a positive view of TM, was > > > excited > > > > > > about the project. After seeing a flying session, she said it > > > was > > > > > > impossible to get anything close to an accurate reading of yogic > > > > > > flying using an EEG and the coherence studies "during liftoff" > > > were > > > > > > nonsense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Point of liftoff" not "during liftoff." Interesting that she > > > > couldn't catch the distinction. > > > > > > > Note chart with time plotted along the Y axis. The accompaning text > > states it is DURING FLYING and the graph indicate this also. > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! 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