--- In [email protected], new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], new.morning <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I deleted this post a few minutes after sending it, seeing that Spraig
> > > did respond with a link of cites (a bit of a shotgun) some of wich
> > > possibly support the SA articles point. 
> > > 
> > > I am wading through the viable article(s) listed in the link that
> > > appear to support the SA point. 
> > 
> > I went through a few of the links also. Ithink you're correct about
> the SA author extrapolating. 
> > The abstracts of some of Bullock's work are extremely conservative
> compared to what the SA 
> > article suggests. I did run into an interview of Bullock where he
> made reference to his on-
> > going work concerning EEG coherence and evolution, but that's not
> peer-reviewed research, 
> > just speculation. Perhaps the SA author was referring to the interview.
> 
> Thanks. Thats the feeling I got from the article -- that the SA author
> was referring to informal sources, not published research -- and even
> the giving it a bit of gloss perhaps. Its a nice "theory" -- but it
> appears (need more searches to verify) that the theory has not stirred
> up a lot of interest and additional research to verify it.
> 
> And the article, or perhaps your post, appeared to contain a bitof a
> tautology -- advanced brains have more coherence and cohernece defines
> what advanced brains are-- not size etc.
>  
> > BTW, I referred you to the medline search on eeg coherence only to
> show that there was 
> > plenty of scientific interest on the subject, 
> 
> Yes, it is a good source. Though for "brain wave coherence" (I
> understand "eeg ..." is more comprehensive) I got 83 on medline and
> over 600 on google scholar. 
> 
> > NOT to prove that the TM researcher's emphasis 
> > on it was correct. 
> 
> Understood. Though, for me that, and related, are the questions of
> interest: how does mainstream science use and measure the term BWC (or
> EEG coherence,etc); what is the significance of it, that is, is it a
> superior state, or one naturally found, is increasing BWC a good
> thing, etc. 
> 

It's an interesting contradiction. In some contexts, EEG coherence is seen as  
a Very Good 
Thing, and in others as a Very Bad Thing. Brain-damaged individuals often show 
EEG 
coherence, presumably because the activity of the brain has not differentiated 
in a healthy 
manner. Epileptics show EEG coherence due to abnormally firing neurons 
associated with 
siezures.


Here's a study that suggests both good and bad in the same test subjects. They 
lack 
healthy coherence in one part of the brain and have unhealthy coherence in 
another part:

http://tinyurl.com/fk7d2

1: Clin EEG Neurosci. 2005 Jan;36(1):42-8.      Related Articles, Links

EEG coherence analysis in never-medicated patients with panic disorder.

Hanaoka A, Kikuchi M, Komuro R, Oka H, Kidani T, Ichikawa S.

Department of Psychiatry and Neurobiology, Graduate School of Medical Science, 
Kanazawa University, Japan. [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To investigate the functional abnormalities in the central nervous system (CNS) 
of patients 
with panic disorder (PD), we compared the electroencephalography (EEG) 
coherence values 
in 18 never-medicated PD patients with those in age-matched normal control 
subjects, 
and examined the relationships between EEG coherence values and both the 
duration of 
disease and the severity of panic attacks. EEG data were recorded in the 
resting state. The 
PD patients had lower coherence values with significant differences in F3-F4, 
C3-C4, P3-
P4, F7-T5, and F8-T6. There were positive correlations for the higher alpha 
band between 
coherence values and both the duration of disease and the severity of panic 
attacks. These 
findings provide further evidence that PD patients have a lower degree of inter-
hemispheric functional connectivity in the frontal region and intra-hemispheric 
functional 
connectivity in the bilateral temporal region, and that chronic condition or 
frequent panic 
attacks in PD patients may be related to the pathophysiological CNS changes.






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