--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Jul 9, 2006, at 1:01 PM, curtisdeltablues wrote: > > > "Second, of course, "anti-TMer" is an entirely > > legitimate label for those who, like Barry and Vaj > > and Curtis, routinely attack the TMO, MMY, and TMers > > (individually or as a group)." > > > > > > Since I have been on this group I have heard far more criticism coming > > from others, some of whom practice TM. > > This is my observation as well. It's actually quite bizarre to see-- > the "defenders of the faith" end up being perfect reasons *not* to > start TM. In fact they may be part of the decline, esp. since there > are other outlets now (some more detailed and fuller paths) of > manasika japa, sans canned checking routines and insane prices for > basic meditation instruction. > > > Other than responding to > > things others have put up I have not initiated any criticisms of TM. > > This designation of "anti-Tmer" is a stupid label in a group where > > most of the posters couldn't get into the dome. > > It's also stupid because I'm sure many of us don't see TM as a bad > thing or as a bad meditation technique, but not merely as a 'be all > and end all' that it is marketed as. At a certain time when the > naivete was high on "things eastern" and there were not a lot of > alternatives, this was palatable. Now it's simply silly.
Thats why labeling, particualry incorrect labeling, is simply silly. Someone calls someone a True Beleiver. As I have observed, the labels are often incorrect. Regardless, when labels are hurled, particualry pejorative and/or false ones, a barrage of labels are often hurled back. Silly again. But then each side gets really entrenched. Defending positions. Then it gets really silly. For example, as I have stated, IMO people like Judy, Vaj, Shemp, etc do not fit the TB mold. In so many ways. To call them TB's is either quite weak thinking or purposefully inflamatory. And I don't think you, or Unc, and certainly not rational critics like Ken H or Rick A etc., as TM haters. As you say [you] "don't see TM as a bad thing or as a bad meditation technique, but not merely as a 'be all and end all' that it is marketed as." I have seen some real TM haters out there, often this can be a trnsitional phase, and none of you guys fit that profile. If you want, as we all want, less inflamatory slug fests (in contrast to passionate, yet reasoned views which are great), then stop with the lablels aka name calling. Its ineffective when the labels are correct, but outlandishly counterproductive when they are false and/or inflamatory. > > If you really cared > > about the movement you would encourage them to correct stupid > > misleading charts instead of defending their stupid misleading charts. > > You know it's funny how fundamentalists defend their religions. > Fundie X-tians will quote scripture and verse after verse after > verse. TM fundies cite pseudoscience, use charts of questionable > veracity and quote scientific research. There you go again. No current regular posters are "fundamentalists", parallel to "Fundie X-tians", "TM fundies". A true fundamentalist is a sight to behold. Someone who believes literally that the universe was created 6000 years ago and Eve came out of Adams rib. While I don't always agree with Judy, Spraig, etc, they clearly are thinking, quetioning entities, not bound by the dictates of some literal interpretation of anceint scripture. In your view, do you think either holds a literalist view on the Laws of Manu or the Puranas? >At a certain point I realized > this was the same phenomenon. And you thought weakly. > > But in my world none of that matters. Then why does your world constantly sling labels at others? ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Yahoo! Groups gets a make over. See the new email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/XISQkA/lOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
