Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Amma's Visit to FF

Wed, 12 Jul 2006 05:06:42 -0700


On Jul 11, 2006, at 10:10 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:

--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




On Jul 11, 2006, at 5:36 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:



--- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote:




On Jul 11, 2006, at 2:47 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:



Vaj said: They felt he was a "seller of


the


Vedas" and thus destined for the deepest hell. Not the "saint"


some


imagine...



Jim said: Emphasis on dogma can lead to all kinds of crazy ideas.

Just look at


the way the dharma of caste is often abused and misunderstood. 


Or


the state of the Catholic Church. You seem to put way too much

importance in titles.





Vaj said: I think the sages who said that originally saw it

as "cause and


effect". Charging for the path to liberation was not seen as a


good


"cause" and therefore had some bad effects...



I can't imagine why this would cause bad effects. Even money 


comes


from the same place everything else does...I suppose if they were

caught up into the thinking that making money was somehow

inconsistent with a spiritual life...I don't know, it seems 


silly to


me, given that a service is being provided.




It's an interesting point Jim--I too have found this damnation by  

jnanis to be bizarre--but not the point. The point was that 


Amma's  


remarks were gentle by comparison--and the comparison to a mother  

caring, touching to everyone (everyone has a mom).




I guess meditation is something everyone has an opinion on...


In more recent times, some teachers have been more explicit. One was the jnani Papaji:

The following is  from The Truth Is, Sri H.W.L. Poonja,
edited and compiled by Prashanti de Jager, pages 418 - 421
 
POONJAJI SAID:
 
“This is the Kali Yuga,
Even Rakshashas (demons) will incarnate as teachers to mislead you.
Those who must be destroyed by these demons will be.
 
Test the Guru by the teaching:
without inquiry there is no teaching.
Shun every teacher who does not teach inquiry.
Directly looking at your own face is the only teaching.
 
If the Guru says 'I am enlightened,'
it means the ego is enlightened so stay away.
Western teachers who say this are preachers so stay away
and only write books to load more garbage on seekers,
and more money in their pockets.
They will attract so many students,
but in Kali Yuga it is the falsehood which will draw the crowds.
The Truth and the true Gurus will be neglected.
If there is a teacher and a student for more than one second
then both of them go to avachi hell!”

Papaji, bizarrely, is also one of the main sources of the Pseudo-advaita movement, although this occurred mainly after his death, it also happened while he was still alive--but he put a quick stop to it then. A group of satang service providers began claiming enlightenment, eventually a group of about 50 people did so. Papaji put an end to that confronting the ego trip head on. But as soon as he died it continued and has expanded up to the current day.

"In the early 90's a sannyasin couple who went to Papaji "got enlightened" in very short order, started holding satsangs and pretty soon had a group of fifty people around them who had also "gotten it." The bubble did burst and no harm was done. In this instance quality control was achieved because Papaji was still in the body. Since he died in 1997 however, many who were with him only a short time are getting into the biz."

Were you aware that some children had reported that M. was a demon? An interesting but bizarre factoid. You know what they say about 'out of the mouths of babes'!

Ain't life bizarre!


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