--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Alex Stanley" > > > <j_alexander_stanley@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Personally, I have no need or desire for a guru or other > > > > savior figure. But, there certainly is a very long tradition > > > > of devotion to a guru, and it just struck me that being > > > > devoted to MMY or Punditji is no different than MMY being > > > > devoted to Guru Dev. > > > > > > I would suggest that there is a difference. You > > > probably would never have seen the other disciples > > > of Guru Dev obsessing about former fellow disciples > > > who had moved on, and spending hours badrapping them. > > > That's a Western addition to "guru yoga," and IMO > > > it's not an improvement. > > > > So who here is a disciple of Gurudev? > > THAT is an example of the intentional desire to > mislead and deflect discussions Vaj was talking > about. No one on earth is stupid enough to have > gotten "folks here are disciples of Guru Dev" > from what I wrote. > > What I was criticizing was something you do with > Chopra and that others do with SSRS and other > notable former TMers who have moved on. You seem > to obsess on them, and whenever their name comes > up, trash them again, as if they'd done something > WRONG by moving on, or by choosing to have a life. > > I was saying (and I think you *knew* what I was > saying and were trying to deflect the discussion > elsewhere) that I would be willing to bet that > the disciples of Guru Dev never sunk this low > when one of their fellow students chose to move > on. It's not that human nature has changed in the > time since; it's just that (based on what we've > heard about Guru Dev) their lives were probably > full enough and fulfilling enough that they > didn't have either the time or the inclination > to fill it by trashing someone by implying they > were "unfaithful" to Guru Dev, or that they > somehow did him wrong by moving on.
Nice thing about TM is that you can still do TM and "move on" and go do a hundred other techniques and you're still doing TM. > Plus, it is > my bet that Guru Dev did not *encourage* trashing > those who have moved on, whereas Maharishi > definitely does. When, specifically, did he do that? Perhaps he has but we have him on record as doing quite the opposite. I cite the "we are satisfied" declaration of his regarding people who have left his movement yet still teach a quasi- TM...and isn't that what SSRS and Deepak, as two examples off the top of my head, do? > > It is my contention that people in the TMO have > been *trained* to react to those students who > have moved on by trashing them, and by wishing > the worst for them, *not* by wishing them well > in their new lives. And this attitude comes > straight from Maharishi; it's *him* who views > anyone who doesn't stay with him forever as > some kind of traitor. That 'tude just trickles > down to the TM teachers and, through them, to > the rank and file. > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Check out the new improvements in Yahoo! Groups email. http://us.click.yahoo.com/6pRQfA/fOaOAA/yQLSAA/UlWolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
