--- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote:
> > [...]
> > > 
> > > But at a certain point, Occam's razor comes into play;
> > > the "different experience" premise may "multiply
> > > entities beyond necessity."  The explanation that the
> > > TMers are experiencing the same thing as what is
> > > reported in the historical literature is simpler than
> > > one that posits two completely different types of
> > > experience that are described the same way.
> > 
> > Ironically, I'm starting to suspect that there IS the possibility 
> that different meditation 
> > techniques, rather than eventually inducing the same state, are 
> actually inducing different 
> > states that can be described the same way.
> 
> How could there possibly be more than one state with
> no attributes?
>

PHysiological state may not be exactly the same as mental state. PTSD-related 
rerealization can sound just like TM-style enlightenment, for example, but 
there appear to 
be radically different brain mechanisms behind them.







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