On Aug 2, 2006, at 1:16 PM, new.morning wrote: --- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Aug 2, 2006, at 12:46 PM, new.morning wrote:
The direct experience is the important thing.
Assuming all the neuural pathways that Spariag touches on in prior posts, and the 100 billion synapes in the brain, are all functioning 'well", and that the 'experiencer" has had rigorous training to overcome the many potential cognitive and logical errors, psychoanalytical complexes (can you say "Oedipal"?) that the human mind is prone to make (particularly in interpreting "spiritual experiences". As Dana will tell you extensively and in detail -- with research (not his, but cites).
Meanwhile, I just experienced that I am Lord of the Universe, so I am going with that. :)
Say no more.
The larger point being is that people can and do claim all sorts of experiences. Who is to say they are not true? Who is to say I am not Lord of the Universe? And how would you rigorously disprove this claim?
If there are clear experiential markers in a staged system of progressive meditation practice, the only person you'd be harming would be yourself. If you want to do that, why would you waste your time? If you have an experienced teacher, do you think s/he is going to let you off the hook?
Well, research on physiology on alternative states, a rigorous accounting of potential cognitive and logical errors the claimant is / has been prone to make, inklings of manifestations of psychological complexes, etc, can help sort such things out.
Cognitive obscurations are present right up to the last three of the arya Bodhisattva stages. However before then one will have developed the razor of Discriminative Awareness, otherwise we're doomed to failure. Therefore developing discrimination is important. I recommend the Grade A ACME Bullshit filter.
If indeed one cares about claims made by others about experiences. Its enough for some to dwell on their own experiences. Or not dwell.
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