> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > > <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > A lasting peace and reconciliation? Reconciling the numbers, > >what > > > would the TMOrg need do, to reconcile > > > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what > >could > > > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg > > > with its meditators? > > The defining terms of the TMorg guidelines are still the same, >that > people must `sever all connection with other saints to > participate'. That people sever all other spiritual practices of > other saints and that people never reestablish a connection with > other saints or the spiritual practices of other saints. That > people must put this all in writing to join. >
Jeanne "ShivaMa' wrote a terrific letter to MMY through Hagelin' contact. It was a good letter which in the end asked these things: 1)Give a Dome Badge to Whomsoever asks for one 2. Require only this: that while one is in the Dome, they only do the prescribed Dome Program 3 That everyone's personal choices regarding Spiritual Matters remain their own and are totally respected. 4. That a soul's choice of a "Personal Guru" is not forced upon them . 5 That the Movement (Tmorg) is big enough to embrace all saints as one expression of the same divinity. It is a good letter that is comprehensive of the problem. I will try to get a whole digital version from Jeanne Shivama for general reading. In a way, she was the perfect person for all of Fairfield to go through the application process and smoke it out. Jai Guru Dev, -Doug in FF > > The personal interpretation of the administration (Jeff Cohen) is > that "M feels disappointed and that it is a betrayal of everything > he has given people", that it was never a guideline that "all sins > are forgiven" or to "forgive and forget" about people seeing other > spiritual saints. "But that from this moment the guidelines hold". > > > With the Tmorg, that regardless as MMY was saying when > asked, `forgive and forget' or the notion that "all sins are > forgiven" got about, that these are not the guidelines for doing the > group meditation program with the TMorg. "From this moment on the > guidelines hold" as Jeff Cohen directly explained to Jeannie Ryan > who they accuse of being an Ammachi devotee. An irony if you knew > Jeannie is that she is not a `devotee' of Ammachi. Regardless, > Jeannie was denied acceptance and entry to the dome group meditation > on campus on these terms and interpretation. That is the status > quo. It was a sad day in FF. > > JGD, > -Doug in FF > > > > > > > Word on the street > > > Evidently they (the TMOrg) are unchanged and intransient in their > positions, methods and ways. Unrepentant they are back to their > ways of insisting that people recant their visits with the saints > and also sign contracts, pledging to never be associated with or > see > the saints etc.. to be able to also meditate in the group > > meditations. > > > > "forgive and forget" was evidently a feel-good myth as ploy to > have > > people come in to register. > > > > For instance, ask Jeannie Ryan about her experience getting vetted > > this week for registration for the dome meditation program. > > > > > > > > Advice from real peace-mediators who go in to torn communities to > > help moderate peace between people, one of the first things they > try > > to do is to get a ceasefire at least between parties. There are > > other sequential steps in the process too. Contrition? The Tmorg > > is not even close to even a ceasefire with its meditating > community. > > > > > > > > > > > > For instance, while Ammachi visited FF this last month (July > 06), > > > thousands did come out of the woodwork here to see her. The > > > meetings became like a Kumla-Mela of the old FF TM meditating > > > community here. All kinds of lit good people coming out of the > > > countryside here. With the first two meetings Amma gave darshan > > to > > > about 4000 people here. A lot of those people were Fairfudlian > TM > > > people and their families. Then there was the next day and > night > > > program too. Possibly about 6000 darshans in total. > > > > > > Was interesting to see there were a lot more TM people `coming > > > out' this year with so many TM people now having been generally > > `de- > > > certified' and also with MUM & MSAE faculty and staff being `let > > go' > > > in recent years. Showed a lot of meditators in the community > > > unattached and un-beholden to MMY or the TMorg. > > > > > > That simply is, the state of the status quo in FF for the > TMOrg. > > > > > > It still leaves the practical questions: Reconciling the > numbers, > > > what would the TMOrg need do, to reconcile > > > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what > could > > > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the TMorg > be > > > with its meditators? > > > > > > -Doug in FF > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "dhamiltony2k5" > > > <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Reconciling the past, > > > > > > > > >how likely is it that > > > > > they'd > > > > > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd even be > that > > > many > > > > > willing > > > > > > > to go.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sal > > > > > > > > > > > > JohnY writes, > > > > The quaility of the current programs speak to both Maharishi's > > and > > > > the > > > > TMO's openness. That's why the participation is as it is. > 27,000 > > > > siddha's ... less than 2000 participating. > > > > > > > > > > > > Doug writing: > > > > Yes, round numbers a million TM meditators taught in the US, > > with > > > > some tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some tens of > > > thousands > > > > people taught the TM0-sidhis; and a few hundreds show up when > > > > called. > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974 > > > > > > > > > > > > Reconciling the numbers, what would the TMOrg need do, to > > > reconcile > > > > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent years, what > > > could > > > > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for the > TMorg > > > be > > > > with its meditators? > > > > > > > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev, > > > > -Doug in FF > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > <jyouells@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Robert Gimbel" > > > <babajii_99@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "jyouells2000" > > > <jyouells@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Sal Sunshine > > > > <salsunshine@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But most sidhas here are or were doing other stuff. > And > > > > seeing > > > > > > as how > > > > > > > > someone else just got thrown out for that, how likely > is > > > it > > > > that > > > > > > they'd > > > > > > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd even be > > that > > > > many > > > > > > willing > > > > > > > > to go.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sal > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How likely is it that Maharishi would be open about it? > > Why > > > > even > > > > > > > bother to ask? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JohnY > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, you might be surprised by his answer; > > > > > > If you never ask, you'll never know... > > > > > > The Baghavad Gita states this, in: "Action is always > > superior > > > to > > > > > > inaction", because at least you get an answer... > > > > > > Didn't Maharishi hang out with some 'Heavy Dudes', in > India? > > > > > > Didn't he hang with people like, Tat Wala Baba? > > > > > > Would Tat Wala Baba, be allowed in the Dome? > > > > > > So, I wouldn't be surprised, if someone would only ask... > > > > > > That has been the problem; there have been such > controlling; > > > > > > People around Maharishi, that they intimidate; > > > > > > Even the asking of a perfectly relevant question: > > > > > > Very Sad!!! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The quaility of the current programs speak to both > Maharishi's > > > and > > > > the > > > > > TMO's openness. That's why the participation is as it is. > > 27,000 > > > > > siddha's ... less than 2000 participating. That's actually > > more > > > > than I > > > > > expected.... > > > > > > > > > > JohnY .. ,,FFL To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
