--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> On Aug 6, 2006, at 3:29 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:
> 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >> On Aug 6, 2006, at 11:12 AM, curtisdeltablues wrote:
> >>
> >>> "Really has a lot to do with not knowing what you're doing and
> > using
> >>> people as guinea pigs.
> >>>
> >>> In traditional yogic flying, the entire first stage is from a
> >>> standing, bent-knee position and done as a step/jump kinda 
thing.
> >>> Instead of injuring one, it builds strength, stamina and 
numeorus
> >>> yogic benefits."
> >>>
> >>> Very interesting.  It sounds more like martial arts movements.
> >>
> >> It's combined with a style of yogic running. In many old Tibetan
> >> biographies--of course this was before telegraph, radio or
> > telephone--
> >> the Tibetan kings used yogic runners/flyers to dispatch 
messages.
> >> There are contemporary accounts of witnesses who've seen these
> > yogis,
> >> called "lung gompas": "air yogis".
> >>
> >> The training does resemble, in some aspects, martial arts
> > training,
> >> where moving asanas are linked to breathing and visualization.
> >>
> >>
> >> Lung-gom-pa Runners of Tibet
> >>
> >> The Marathon monks of Japan are quite similar to the Lung-gom-pa
> >> runners of old Tibet. There have been many records kept of these
> >> amazing running monks who appear to fly when they run. Across
> > grassy
> >> plains, they seem to float apparently in a trance. They are said
> > to
> >> travel nonstop for forty-eight hours or more and can cover more
> > than
> >> 200 miles a day. Many are said to be faster than horses and at
> > times
> >> they were used to convey messages across a country.
> >>
> >> In order to qualify as a lung-gom-pa runner, the trainee must
> > first
> >> learn to master seated meditation. They had lots of emphasis on
> >> breath control and visualization techniques. They had to be able
> > to
> >> imagine their own bodies as being light as a feather.
> >>
> >> Other techniques they had to master required them to watch a
> > single
> >> star in the sky intently for days, never allowing themselves to
> > be
> >> distracted. When they have attained this ability of moving
> >> meditation, they are able to fly like the wind.
> >>
> >> The term "lung-gom" is used for the kind of training that
> > develops
> >> uncommon nimbleness and gives them the ability to make
> >> extraordinarily long tramps with amazing rapidity. They run at a
> >> rapid pace without ever having to stop for days. They do not run
> >> short, quick races but have the ability to go far distances in a
> >> quick amount of time.
> >>
> >> "The Way of the White Clouds" by Lama Anagarika Govinda explains
> > that
> >> the word Lung, pronounced rlun, signifies the state of air as 
well
> > as
> >> vital energy or psychic force. Gom means meditation,
> > contemplation,
> >> concentration of mind and soul upon a certain subject. It has to
> > do
> >> with the emptying of one's mind of all subject-object
> > relationships.
> >> This means that a lung-gom-pa runner is not a man who has the
> > ability
> >> to fly through air, but one who can control his energy, re-
> > channel
> >> and concentrate it in a new direction. These lung-gom-pa runners
> >> follow the ancient practice of pranayama. They follow the idea 
of
> >> completely anonymity and therefore no one is allowed to talk to
> > them
> >> or see any part of their bodies.
> >>
> >
> > This sounds like an interesting technique, but has nothing to do
> > with the flying technique from Patanjali.
> 
> Actually the lineal method of Patanjali and this are similar in 
the  
> key points. Mahesh's "technique" (the TMSP) is actually the 
variant.  
> Much of the technique is *not* in the text of Patanjali or the  
> commentaries; they are taught orally and use other texts. Unless 
one  
> has a teacher skilled in these matters, one would miss it 
completely,  
> because it's simply not there.
>

Sounds possibly like two different interpretations and two different 
techniques, one for householders (TMSP) and one for recluses.  







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