--- In [email protected], "dhamiltony2k5"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "markmeredith2002" wrote " Jeannie's mistake was emailing her
letter
> to Hagelin. If she wanted
> any chance of a positive response she should have hand delivered
it
"
>
> There is some truth to that. A hard copy to Vlodrop would
probably
> have gotten it closer to the heart of the problem. Anyone got a
> mailing address for MMY in Vlodrop?
Santa Claus
123 Reindeer Avenue
North Pole
>
> -Doug in FF
>
>
> >
> > 2nd Letter
> >
> > To: hagelin@
> >
> >
> > Dear John,
> >
> > I am writing to you again just in case you have not had a chance
to
> > read my first letter, dated August 2, 2006, regarding my dome
> > rejection. I WOULD LIKE TO BE ACCEPTED FOR THE DOME!!!!!!!
> >
> > I honestly expressed "My Highest Truth" in that letter and I
would
> > truly appreciate a response, any response, especially whether you
> > received it or not, and what Maharishi wants me to do. PLEASE
READ
> MY
> > FIRST LETTER TO MAHARISHI.
> >
> > I know most people working for Maharishi may be afraid to let
him
> > know what some of his governors have done to get in the dome,
but I
> > know you have INTEGRITY and will tell him the truth. Those
> governors
> > who do not know Maharishi's intentions about them visiting other
> > saints or using other self improvement techniques, should be
told
> by
> > Maharishi on the daily phone calls to the course, what he really
> > expects, regarding this very important issue!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> >
> > Just because they were not asked if they do other things, many
> > governors have justified that it's o.k with Maharishi, and that
> they
> > would not be in the dome unless he wanted them there. They feel
> those
> > who are not there, somehow could be, if "THEY REALLY WANTED IT."
> > Everyone has to start being accountable for their actions,
> including
> > the "MOVEMENT REPRESENTASTIVES!"
> >
> > I feel that "THE RULES OF DOME ACCEPTANCE SHOULD APPY TO
> > EVERYONE!!!!!" A "few" should not be rejected if "the many" are
> > doing
> > the same things........ Everyone should be asked the same
> > questions...
> > whether they visit the saints! Not just those who are on some
> > "administrative black list." This is just common sense. This is
> also
> > how many people, that I have talked to, feel avout it.
> >
> > Someone actually said to me the other night: "Why do want to
> spoil
> > it
> > for the rest of us? Why didn't you just keep quiet." So many
> people
> > visit saints in India or other cities around the U.S. and the
> world.
> > I
> > guess they feel that if they don't do it in Fairfield then it's
> o.k.
> > "No one will catch me," seems to be the theme.
> >
> > PLEASE DO NOT GET ME WRONG I do not feel that visiting the
saints
> is
> > in ANY WAY WRONG... To the contrary it is A GREAT GIFT to those
who
> > have the grace to receive it. I feel anyone who wishes to visit
the
> > saints should be encouraged to do so. As it is stated in the
VEDAS
> > "KEEP THE COMPANY OF THE SAINTS."
> >
> > A lot of people over the years have felt "THE MOVEMENT
> > REPRESENTATIVES" have lied to them. They somehoe feel that
> Maharishi
> > doesn't say the things they hear from course officials. MAHARISHI
> > PLEASE ADDRESS THIS POINT!!!!!! EVERYONE NEEDS TO HEAR IT FROM
YOU
> > WHAT YOU REALLY EXPECT!!!!!
> >
> > My first letter to you has somehow made it on the internet on
the
> > "Fairfield Life" site. I hope in some way this is helpful to
others
> > who have also not compromised their integrity, just to get their
> > "Dome Badge".
> >
> > John, I would like to be accepted for the dome, having told the
> > "TRUTH" about my life. I could have very easily lied when I was
> > questioned but I chose to be completely "HONEST and NOT HIDE
> ANYTHING
> > ABOUT MY SPIRITUAL LIFE".
> >
> > Please respond to me,
> > Shiva Ma
> >
> >
> >
> > First Letter from ShivaMa:
> >
> > >
> > > FWD:From Shiva Ma Ryan, "My Dome Rejection"
> > > Please share this letter I wrote to John Hagelin with anyone
you
> > > think
> > > may benefit from it.
> > > All Love,
> > > Shiva Ma
> > >
> > > My Dome rejection
> > >
> > > Shiva Ma Ryan to John Hagelin
> > >
> > > Aug 2 (5 days ago)
> > >
> > > Dear John,
> > > I was told to e-mail you if I had any trouble getting accepted
> at
> > the
> > > dome. Hence this letter to you, because I have been faced with
> one
> > of
> > > the most difficult choices of my life. John will you PLEASE
> share
> > > this
> > > letter with Maharishi, as I want Him to know "THE REAL TRUTH"
> > about
> > > what has happened in Fairfield. Please read everything I have
> > written
> > > in this e-mail John, I have tried to be as honest and
> > as "TRUTHFUL"
> > > as
> > > I can. I also have suggestions at the end of this e-mail, that
> may
> > > benefit EVERYONE!
> > >
> > > When I applied for the course, I was told I would need more
time
> > to
> > > be
> > > processed. I knew I probably would not get an immediate
> acceptance,
> > > because a few years ago I applied and was asked if I practiced
> any
> > > techniques other than Maharishi's. I went to India with a
GREAT
> > saint
> > > from Asam, India, Shree Maa, in 1999, and I told the man
> > questioning
> > > me "I had experienced EVERYTHING that India had to offer, and
> that
> > > what I learned in private, I kept private. I had asked the
> > question
> > > to
> > > over 600 people that I initiated, back in the
> > seventies: "Everything
> > > we learn in private, we keep private. Do you agree?" This
answer
> > > seemed the most truthful and appropriate to me, yet I was not
> > > accepted then for the dome.
> > >
> > > This past Saturday July 29th, I was encouraged by my sister and
> > > brother-in law and several friends at a birthday party, that I
> > should
> > > apply now for the dome, because they were accepting EVERYONE!
> > > Regardless of past associations with saints or other
techniques,
> I
> > > was
> > > told EVERYONE was WELCOME BACK!!! The words "All sins would be
> > > forgiven" were used. Those words deeply pinched my heart. I
have
> > > never
> > > considered spending time with Fully Awakened Divine Beings a
> sin.
> > I
> > > have been incredibly fortunate to travel with many saints over
> the
> > > last twelve years. Each ONE I always experienced as MAHARISHI.
> Each
> > > ONE, that I was BLESSED by, deepened my INCREDIBLE LOVE,
RESPECT
> > and
> > > ETERNAL GRATITUDE to Maharishi for all that He had given me in
> the
> > > past. Maharishi was my FIRST GURU!!! Yet Maharishi became
> > > inaccessible to me. The last time I saw Him was at The 7000
> Course
> > in
> > > 1983. My heart was longing for him, So I felt that one by one
He
> > > started sending different saints to BLESS ME!!! Over the
years,
> I
> > > have received the GRACE and BLESSINGS from over 15 different
> saints
> > > that have visited Fairfield since 1997. In 1994 my first GREAT
> > > BLESSING was from MOTHER MEERA, in Germany. She changed my life
> > > forever... I have had the GREAT fortune of traveling with many
of
> > > these DIVINE BEINGS. I am so GRATEFUL for the Love and Grace I
> have
> > > been given from these PURE DIVINE MANIFESTATIONS of Gods and
> > > Goddess's.
> > >
> > > I want to offer my HUMBLEST GRATITUDE to Maharishi for always
> > > remaining in my HEART of HEARTS, since November 19, 1971. I
will
> > be
> > > in
> > > HIS ETERNAL DEBT for the GRACE HE SHOWERED upon me over and
over
> > > again
> > > throughout all these years. JAI GURU DEV MAHARISHI! I LOVE
YOU
> SO
> > > MUCH.....
> > >
> > > At the course office, Jeff Cohen was so sweet and kind to me
on
> > the
> > > phone, going over the guidelines for acceptance for the course.
> > > However the words he used when telling me what I needed to do,
> to
> > get
> > > my badge, still penetrate me like millions of daggers in my
> HEART.
> > I
> > > have not been able to shake them. {Please ask Maharishi to
help
> me
> > > with this.} He said I would be able to get my badge if: "I
> > SEVERED
> > > any connection I had with any saints and SEVERED the use of any
> > > techniques that they had taught me, and that I would NEVER
> > establish
> > > a
> > > connection with them again or practice any other techniques
> other
> > > than
> > > Maharishi's, EVER AGAIN. And that I had to put all of this in
> > > writing,
> > > promising that I would do this. For GOD'S SAKE, How in the
name
> of
> > > WHOLENESS! ONENESS! DIVINITY! and SELF REALIZATION! could I
> promise
> > > that???????? My SOUL WOULD NEVER ALLOW THAT....
> > > I could have lied and said anything that Jeff wanted to hear,
> got
> > my
> > > badge, and no one would have known. THAT IS NOT ME, THAT IS
NOT
> > HOW I
> > > REPRESENT TRUTH AND DIVINITY. I DO NOT, AND I WILL NOT, EVER
LIE
> to
> > > achieve a small gain in the present, who would I be lying
to????
> > ONLY
> > > MY SELF!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > > When Jeff was explaing to me how Maharishi said that one
should
> not
> > > cross the river in two boats, it causes confusion. I told
> him: "I
> > AM
> > > NO LONGER IN THE BOAT, I AM ON THE ISLAND!!!! I AM ENJOYING
THE
> > GOAL.
> > > I PARKED MY BOAT ON THE SIDE OF THE SHORE, MANY YEARS AGO, AND
> > LEFT
> > > IT
> > > THERE!" There are other people in Fairfield in the same place
> that
> > I
> > > AM. We are not nor could we ever again "BE CONFUSED" We are
SELF
> > > REFERRAL NOW!!! No mistakes CAN be made. I LISTEN TO MY GOD
SELF
> > > ALWAYS... My OWN INNER VOICE SPEAKS TO ME ALWAYS!!! I AM not
> > > MAHARISHI or MOVEMENT REFERRAL anymore. The same SELF that is
in
> > ALL
> > > BEINGS, IN THE ONENESS OF ALL BEINGS, IN THAT SELF LUMINOUS
> SELF,
> > > THAT
> > > IS WHERE I RESISDE!
> > >
> > > The reason we have been asked to come together now in the DOME
> is
> > the
> > > urgency of the World situation. It is because of a war about
> > > "RELIGIOUS PREJUDICE, that we are being asked to assemble." It
> > seems
> > > so sad to me that in our Own TM Movement we are "fighting
amonst
> > > ourselves," We are lying to each other. By not allowing each
> > > expression of Divinity to be "TRUE TO ITSELF" We have directly
> > > encouraged each other to "LIE" rather than stand up for what we
> > > believe in. When I started TM in 1971 I was told I would not
> have
> > to
> > > give up my Religion or my beliefs or change my life in any
way,
> > just
> > > meditate twice a day. Please do not tell me, that now after
all
> > these
> > > years that was "JUST A LIE" I became a Governor to help create
a
> > > better world, "A HEAVEN ON EARTH" Unless the policies at the
> dome
> > > are
> > > changed immediately to "EMBRACE" the life-styles and choices
> > > of "ALL"
> > > of it's members, we are just promoting "A LIE." How could we
> > possibly
> > > "HELP" the world if we cannot even "HELP" OUR "SELVES".
> > >
> > > I felt responsible to let you know how many people have lied
to
> get
> > > into the dome. Many peolple, in conversations at Revelations
and
> > > local
> > > restaurants have laughed about how they got away with
something,
> > > about
> > > how clever they were, that they fooled the Movement, making a
> joke
> > > about the whole thing. This has DEEPLY saddened me. Because no
> one
> > > asked them about the saints they have been visiting for years,
> > they
> > > of
> > > course did not volunteer that information, knowing they would
be
> > > "BANNED" if they did. One of them actually said to me; "My
life
> > and
> > > what I do is nobody's business, not the Movement's, not
> > Maharishi's.
> > > I
> > > do what I want to do and I will continue to do whatever I want
> to
> > do.
> > > I will lie through my teeth if I have to, it's none of anyone's
> > > business, what I do! And I have NO GUILT about it!"
> > >
> > > John, I just want you to know that many, if not most of the
> people
> > > who
> > > also visit the saints that come to Fairfield, got their dome
> > badges.
> > > Believe me I know them all, because I help host the saints
and I
> > > helped set up the local Hindu Temple at 800 west Burlington {
> the
> > old
> > > Tropicana Center} Over the years we have hosted many saints
and
> > have
> > > held numerous yagnyas. I always try to graciously make the
> > different
> > > saints stay in Fairfield "WONDERFUL!" It seems to be my job
to
> do
> > > this, as I always find myself at the feet of each of them. I
have
> > > bowed to the feet of each BEAUTIFUL expression of DIVINITY!!!
> The
> > > same feet that I first bowed to in MAHARISHI, I BOW TO ALL
> > BEINGS...
> > > Yet in all BEINGS " I BOW" to LORD SHIVA ONLY!!! He is
> expressed
> > in
> > > so many different DIVINE FORMS!!!!! Incarnations of Gods and
> > > Goddesses alike...
> > >
> > > All of the saints that visit Fairfield are so FULL of PRAISE
and
> > > GRATITUDE to MAHARISHI for the incredible HEAVENLY PLACE HE HAS
> > > CREATED HERE!!!! They ALL with no exception credit HIM with A"
> HUGE
> > > TRANSFORMATION FOR THE WORLD" THEY ALL LOVE FAIRFIELD!!! They
> all
> > > give
> > > gratitude to HIM, for the atmosphere here.
> > > The majority of people who got their dome badges were not
asked
> the
> > > incredibly difficult questions I was asked, so they did not
have
> to
> > > lie face to face to someone, so they seem to feel justified
that
> > they
> > > are in some ridiculous way to me, not lying to anyone, but I
> feel
> > > they are lying to themselves. That to me is the "GREATEST SIN
OF
> > ALL"
> > > Also that they are not being honest to MAHARISHI!!! hurts my
> > heart.
> > > I
> > > feel they are betraying what they believe in, and how they
> choose
> > to
> > > live their lives, "WHEN NO ONE IS WATCHING." They are not
> honoring
> > > the GRACE and BLESSINGS they have been given from so many
> BEAUTIFUL
> > > ENLIGHTENED BEINGS. What an insult to those saints, what an
> insult
> > to
> > > Maharishi to misrepresent themselves, just because they
> didn't "GET
> > > CAUGHT," Just becauce they were not put through this test,
they
> can
> > > justify this betrayal. They are too scared or intimidated to
> > stand
> > > up
> > > for what they believe in, they are so worried about being
> exposed,
> > > about losing their "precious Dome Badge" Yet they are truly
only
> > > "FOOLING THEMSELVES." GOD BLESS THEM ALL TO REALIZE THIS
FOOLISH
> > > MISTAKE!
> > >
> > > I hope this letter was heartfelt, And that you read it in
> > > non-judgement and that you receive some guidance from
Maharishi
> > how
> > > to
> > > handle this situation.
> > > I have a few suggestions for You:
> > > 1. Give a DOME BADGE to
> > > whomsoever asks for one...
> > > All Siddhas should
> > > be "WELCOME".
> > >
> > > 2. Require only this:
that
> > while
> > > one is in the DOME,
> > > they only do the
> > prescribed
> > > DOME PROGRAM...
> > >
> > > 3. That everyone's
personal
> > > choices regarding
> > > Spiritual Matters
remain
> > > their own and are
> > > TOTALLY
> > > RESPECTED!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The choices made
> > > should not interfere
> with
> > > anyone's "Dome Acceptance"
> > >
> > >
> > > 4. That a soul's choice
of a
> > > "Personal Guru" is not
> > > forced upon
> them...That
> > > they can love and respect
> > > Maharishi and do his
> > > programs, and yet have their
> > > own "Personal Guru".
> > >
> > > 5. That The MOVEMENT is
BIG
> > > ENOUGH TO
> > > EMBRACE ALL SAINTS AS
> ONE
> > > EXPRESSION OF
> > > THE SAME
> > > DIVINITY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > >
> > > ALL GLORY TO GURU DEV AND ALL GLORY TO DIVINITY IN ALL
BEINGS!!!
> > > ALL GLORY TO ALL THE MOVEMENTS DEDICATED TO DIVINITY
> > > With MY DEEPEST LOVE FOR ALL EXPRESSIONS OF DIVINITY
> > >
> > > Shiva Ma Ryan
> > > {formerly Jeanne Lynn Ryan or {Jeanne Ryan Borden- {married
name}
> > >
> > >
> > > >"dhamiltony2k5"
> > > > > > <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > A lasting peace and reconciliation? Reconciling the
> > > >numbers,
> > > > > >what
> > > > > > > would the TMOrg need do, to reconcile
> > > > > > > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent
years,
> > > >what
> > > > > >could
> > > > > > > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for
> the
> > > > TMorg
> > > > > > > with its meditators?
> > > > >
> > > > > The defining terms of the TMorg guidelines are still the
> same,
> > > > >that
> > > > > people must `sever all connection with other saints to
> > > > > participate'. That people sever all other spiritual
> practices
> > > >of
> > > > > other saints and that people never reestablish a
connection
> > with
> > > > > other saints or the spiritual practices of other saints.
> That
> > > > > people must put this all in writing to join.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jeanne "ShivaMa' wrote a terrific letter to MMY through
> Hagelin'
> > > > contact. It was a good letter which in the end asked these
> > > >things:
> > > > 1)Give a Dome Badge to Whomsoever asks for one
2. Require
> only
> > > > this: that while one is in the Dome, they only do the
> prescribed
> > > > Dome Program
3 That everyone's personal choices regarding
> > > > Spiritual Matters remain their own and are totally
respected.
> > 4.
> > > > That a soul's choice of a "Personal Guru" is not forced upon
> > > >them
.
> > > > 5 That the Movement (Tmorg) is big enough to embrace all
> saints
> > as
> > > > one expression of the same divinity.
> > > >
> > > > It is a good letter that is comprehensive of the problem. I
> > will
> > > > try to get a whole digital version from Jeanne Shivama for
> > general
> > > > reading. In a way, she was the perfect person for all of
> > > >Fairfield
> > > > to go through the application process and smoke it out.
> > > >
> > > > Jai Guru Dev,
> > > > -Doug in FF
> > > > >
> > > > > The personal interpretation of the administration (Jeff
> Cohen)
> > > is
> > > > > that "M feels disappointed and that it is a betrayal of
> > > everything
> > > > > he has given people", that it was never a guideline
> that "all
> > > sins
> > > > > are forgiven" or to "forgive and forget" about people
seeing
> > > other
> > > > > spiritual saints. "But that from this moment the
guidelines
> > > hold".
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > With the Tmorg, that regardless as MMY was saying when
> > > > > asked, `forgive and forget' or the notion that "all sins
> are
> > > > > forgiven" got about, that these are not the guidelines for
> > doing
> > > > the
> > > > > group meditation program with the TMorg. "From this
moment
> on
> > > the
> > > > > guidelines hold"
as Jeff Cohen directly explained to
> Jeannie
> > > Ryan
> > > > > who they accuse of being an Ammachi devotee. An irony if
> you
> > > knew
> > > > > Jeannie is that she is not a `devotee' of Ammachi.
> > Regardless,
> > > > > Jeannie was denied acceptance and entry to the dome group
> > > > meditation
> > > > > on campus on these terms and interpretation. That is the
> > status
> > > > > quo. It was a sad day in FF.
> > > > >
> > > > > JGD,
> > > > > -Doug in FF
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > Word on the street
> > > > > >
> > > > > Evidently they (the TMOrg) are unchanged and intransient
in
> > > their
> > > > > positions, methods and ways. Unrepentant they are back
to
> > > their
> > > > > ways of insisting that people recant their visits with
the
> > > saints
> > > > > and also sign contracts, pledging to never be associated
> with
> > > or
> > > > > see
> > > > > the saints etc.. to be able to also meditate in the
group
> > > > > > meditations.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "forgive and forget" was evidently a feel-good myth as
> ploy
> > to
> > > > > have
> > > > > > people come in to register.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For instance, ask Jeannie Ryan about her experience
> getting
> > > > vetted
> > > > > > this week for registration for the dome meditation
> program.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Advice from real peace-mediators who go in to torn
> > communities
> > > > to
> > > > > > help moderate peace between people, one of the first
> things
> > > they
> > > > > try
> > > > > > to do is to get a ceasefire at least between parties.
> There
> > > are
> > > > > > other sequential steps in the process too. Contrition?
> The
> > > > Tmorg
> > > > > > is not even close to even a ceasefire with its
meditating
> > > > > community.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For instance, while Ammachi visited FF this last month
> > (July
> > > > > 06),
> > > > > > > thousands did come out of the woodwork here to see
her.
> > The
> > > > > > > meetings became like a Kumla-Mela of the old FF TM
> > > meditating
> > > > > > > community here. All kinds of lit good people coming
out
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > > countryside here. With the first two meetings Amma
gave
> > > > darshan
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > about 4000 people here. A lot of those people were
> > > > Fairfudlian
> > > > > TM
> > > > > > > people and their families. Then there was the next
day
> > and
> > > > > night
> > > > > > > program too. Possibly about 6000 darshans in total.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Was interesting to see there were a lot more TM
people
> > > > `coming
> > > > > > > out' this year with so many TM people now having been
> > > > generally
> > > > > > `de-
> > > > > > > certified' and also with MUM & MSAE faculty and staff
> > being
> > > > `let
> > > > > > go'
> > > > > > > in recent years. Showed a lot of meditators in the
> > > community
> > > > > > > unattached and un-beholden to MMY or the TMorg.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That simply is, the state of the status quo in FF for
> the
> > > > > TMOrg.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It still leaves the practical questions: Reconciling
> the
> > > > > numbers,
> > > > > > > what would the TMOrg need do, to reconcile
> > > > > > > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent
years,
> > > what
> > > > > could
> > > > > > > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation for
> the
> > > > TMorg
> > > > > be
> > > > > > > with its meditators?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > -Doug in FF
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "dhamiltony2k5"
> > > > > > > <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Reconciling the past,
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >how likely is it that
> > > > > > > > > they'd
> > > > > > > > > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd
> even
> > be
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > many
> > > > > > > > > willing
> > > > > > > > > > > to go.)
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Sal
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > JohnY writes,
> > > > > > > > The quaility of the current programs speak to both
> > > > Maharishi's
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > TMO's openness. That's why the participation is as
it
> > is.
> > > > > 27,000
> > > > > > > > siddha's ... less than 2000 participating.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Doug writing:
> > > > > > > > Yes, round numbers a million TM meditators taught in
> the
> > > > US,
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > some tens of thousands of TM teachers taught, some
> tens
> > of
> > > > > > > thousands
> > > > > > > > people taught the TM0-sidhis; and a few hundreds
show
> up
> > > > when
> > > > > > > > called.
> > > > > >
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/104974
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Reconciling the numbers, what would the TMOrg need
do,
> > to
> > > > > > > reconcile
> > > > > > > > with its people? It had got pretty ugly in recent
> > years,
> > > > what
> > > > > > > could
> > > > > > > > the elements of a lasting peace and reconciliation
for
> > the
> > > > > TMorg
> > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > with its meditators?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Jai Guru Dev,
> > > > > > > > -Doug in FF
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "jyouells2000"
> > > > > <jyouells@>
> > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "Robert
> Gimbel"
> > > > > > > <babajii_99@>
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > --- In
> [email protected], "jyouells2000"
> > > > > > > <jyouells@>
> > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Sal
> Sunshine
> > > > > > > > <salsunshine@>
> > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > But most sidhas here are or were doing other
> > > stuff.
> > > > > And
> > > > > > > > seeing
> > > > > > > > > > as how
> > > > > > > > > > > > someone else just got thrown out for that,
how
> > > > likely
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > it
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > they'd
> > > > > > > > > > > > be open to the rest of us? (Not that there'd
> > even
> > > be
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > many
> > > > > > > > > > willing
> > > > > > > > > > > > to go.)
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sal
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > How likely is it that Maharishi would be open
> > about
> > > > it?
> > > > > > Why
> > > > > > > > even
> > > > > > > > > > > bother to ask?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > JohnY
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Well, you might be surprised by his answer;
> > > > > > > > > > If you never ask, you'll never know...
> > > > > > > > > > The Baghavad Gita states this, in: "Action is
> always
> > > > > > superior
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > inaction", because at least you get an answer...
> > > > > > > > > > Didn't Maharishi hang out with some 'Heavy
Dudes',
> > in
> > > > > India?
> > > > > > > > > > Didn't he hang with people like, Tat Wala Baba?
> > > > > > > > > > Would Tat Wala Baba, be allowed in the Dome?
> > > > > > > > > > So, I wouldn't be surprised, if someone would
only
> > > ask...
> > > > > > > > > > That has been the problem; there have been such
> > > > > controlling;
> > > > > > > > > > People around Maharishi, that they intimidate;
> > > > > > > > > > Even the asking of a perfectly relevant question:
> > > > > > > > > > Very Sad!!!
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The quaility of the current programs speak to both
> > > > > Maharishi's
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > TMO's openness. That's why the participation is as
> it
> > > is.
> > > > > > 27,000
> > > > > > > > > siddha's ... less than 2000 participating. That's
> > > actually
> > > > > > more
> > > > > > > > than I
> > > > > > > > > expected....
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > JohnY
> > > > ..
> > > .,,FFL
> > >
> > FFL August '06
> >
>
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