--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bill (William)Simmons" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Thank you gerbal88 > > She often said to me,,,"Why are you with me, I have nothing to offer. > > I always found that to be a very said reflection of ones self worth. > And yet she claims to be on such a high spiritual path. She feels > she is superior spiritually because she is a TM'er.
Hi, Bill -- TM is based on two profoundly subtle deceptions, that the mantra and the method of using the mantra enables one to experience the absolute or source of thought. This is simply deceitful on Mahesh's part. Since he himself proclaims that the mantra is a meaningless sound (another of his lies, since he said at the very beginning of his "mission" that 'we select the names of gods to bring us specific good things' [a paraphrase, see Beacon LIght of the Himalayas for his actual words] -- but in the same speech he also said "any word will do"). But where does a meaningless sound take us? To meaninglessness, of course, daydreaming on a grand scale. And when we discover we are "off" the mantra, off on some meaningless daydream, we begin to have a thought of the manta just as effortlessly as we noticed we were drifting about. This takes us to more profound phantasmagorical an aspecific daydreaming. The person verifying the correctness of our meditatio asks: did you notice some moments when there was no mantra and no thought. Oh, yes, we remember that. No thought? Just what? Limbo? No thought/no mantra is not clarity of thought. If we only remember that it happened but were not awake when it happened, weren't aware of it happening, I don't think contemporary psych schools of thought will find this a particularly good thing. Maybe just TM twice a day for a max of twenty minutes is a reasonably decent break from the daily grind. Lots of folks found this useful. But when Mahesh started adding his alarmest thinking (we have to avert nuclear war, etc. see http://www.skepticfiles.org/new/tm17.htm) and when he started selling more and more latest greatest surefire thing to end the latest crisis and for sure this time bring about enlightenment, well, sensible people started to wonder. > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, gerbal88 <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Bill (William)Simmons" > > <unclewas@> wrote: > > > > > > I can't seem to come up with a rational reason to spend a great > > > portion of my life in meditation. What gets accomplished? What > gets > > > created? > > > > > > I'm not trying to be argumentative here or confrontational, I am > > > just trying to understand . My X GF spends two hours a day in > > > meditation and has for 25 years. Has no will to work and has > made > > > this one thing the center point in her life. She is what she > calls > > a > > > Sidhi. > > > > > > She says she transcends and connects to the universal > > consciousness. > > > Cool!!!! but why the need to do this twice a day for your life. > > > What's the point. Clearly given the recognition of a higher > > > existance (through the acceptance of a higher universal > > consciounes) > > > is it not reasonable to assume that one day we will all leave > the > > > physical plane a transcend to this higher place as part of the > > souls > > > natural evolution? > > > > > > So why spend the time we have been given here in a physical form > > and > > > on a physical plane trying to get back to the other side each > and > > > everyday....When its time to go home we'll all get to go home. > > > > > > It seems to me like a person who goes away on a vacation to a > far > > > off exotic land only to spend every day, twice a day calling > home > > to > > > see how things are back there. > > > > > > Me I am here now in the present and on this plane of existance > to > > > experience what is here in all its positive and negative > aspects. > > > Why else would I be here if it wasn't to experience what is here > on > > > this level of existance. > > > > > > I am wrong???? > > > > Hi, Bill -- I don't think you are wrong. Even Mahesh, in the early > > days, said the whole purpose of his meditation was so that we > could > > enjoy life. He went so far as to say that we judge the benefit of > our > > meditation by how well things go in daily activity [a bit of a > > paraphrase, but accurate nonetheless]. > > > > So I wonder what form of meditation your X GF is doing. > > > > When Mahesh realized that he was basically a nobody whom the > Beatles > > ditched, he got rather more aggressive and began to churn out more > > and more to do (i.e., more and more for the punters to buy to > enrich > > himself). He got rich and more and more people noticed that the > more > > and more they had bought was making them more and more exhausted. > > > > The mind, proclaimed Mahesh cunningly, goes in the direction of > more > > and more. Greed sells. Any salesman knows this. Something for > nothing > > is a hot item, no matter what it costs. > > > > The purpose of meditation? Well, like Mahesh said: to enrich your > > daily activity. If it isn't enriching life, why are you doing it? > > > > Monks, nuns, recluse types do spend great portions of their life > in > > deep meditation. But they also don't engage in daily activity as > > ordinary folk do. -- Mahesh used to make a big deal of recluse > > mantras and householder mantras. But that's just a diversion from > the > > real effects of his meditation-method. His meditation- > > method/householder mantras turned a lot of folks into recluses and > > I'm not sure this is good. Maybe it kept them hooked on his every > new > > greatest sure thing, I don't know. > > > > But you raise all the right questions. There are good meditation > > practises that really do enrich daily life. From my experience, > > however, I doubt very seriously that Mahesh's TM is one of them. > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' 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