no worries gerbal,,,I liked the post. Iffen my Hindu readings recall.
The guru shall not ask for anything. The student shall offer everything. >From the various articles I've read MMY is constantly asking for money,,,from governements, organisations and individuals. Hell the fact that there is a set cost for the meditations techniques proves that. I am pretty certain Hindu law itself forbids the charging of money for spiritual teachings. Words like,,,"damnable hell" comes to mind. Perhaps MMY played "hooky" from class the day this philosophy was taught. The s--- In [email protected], gerbal88 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "Bill (William)Simmons" > <unclewas@> wrote: > > > > I can't help but wonder,,,When does aggressive marketing and > > cavalier scientific study practises cross the line and become an > > active attempt to de-fraud and thus become a crimminal activitiy on > > an "organised level'. > > Oh, Bill, it never crosses the line! Like Mahesh quipped one day in > Seelisberg when he was wanting to do something iffy and was told so: > The Lawyers will make it legal! > > You can't defraud the faithful if they are willingly giving you > everything they've got. You can't help it if they are so dazed from > all the meditation and other crap you've sold them that they can't > think straight. > > I hope you see the point of my sarcasm,it certainly isn't aimed at > you. > > > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > "They don't do > > > this because the purpose of the the ME is political, > > > not scientific. It is bandied about not in the spirit > > > of understanding, but solely to promote TM. That's all > > > MMY wanted to use it for, which is fine, but let's > > > stop pretending we're interested in it for scientific > > > reasons." > > > > > > > > > Nicely stated. Other spiritual groups just state their beliefs > > and if > > > you want to join you know what you are getting into. Religions > > > operate this way also and it has a certain integrity. TM's > > > presentation has always had a slippery element. > > > Maybe MMY's desire to have a huge mainstream movement was his > > > downfall. I notice in your posts, Peter, a spiritual primacy of > > > consciousness over matter perspective that doesn't try to be > > anything > > > else. I don't always share the perspective, but I know where you > > > stand and I can learn a different view. It has integrity. TM's > > > presentation tried to be everything to everybody and ended up > > being a > > > pseudo materialistic spirituality. I think low movement numbers > > > reflect this lack of the movement knowing what it is. The > pompous > > and > > > ridiculous Rajas are the perfect symbol of this lack of identity > > > integrity. Rich guys in gold party hats. Visual poetic justice! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Peter <drpetersutphen@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- "Bill (William)Simmons" <unclewas@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Of course the larger the number the better in > > > > > studies worth any > > > > > serious consideration. > > > > > > > > > > However, > > > > > > > > > > Fairfield itself offers an amazing case study. > > > > > Because of the length > > > > > of time factor of the study group. > > > > > > > > > > 1. There would have been a crime rate prior to TM's > > > > > introduction into > > > > > the community and should be verifable through past > > > > > public/police/court records. > > > > > > > > > > 2. Then the introduction of TM and its organization > > > > > to the community. > > > > > > > > > > 3. And a 30 year study period in which the crime > > > > > rate could be > > > > > tracted along with the steady growth of practising > > > > > meditators. > > > > > > > > > > To my way of thinking. Thirty years of meditations > > > > > by a steadily > > > > > increasing population of meditators (far exceeding > > > > > the 1% cl;aimed > > > > > necessary to reverse rising crime rates) must result > > > > > in a reduction > > > > > in Fairfield's crime rates or the whole ME therory > > > > > is disproved. > > > > > > > > > > Has Fairfield itself ever been the subject of such a > > > > > study. If > > > > > not,,,why not!!! How many crimminal offenses were > > > > > reported in > > > > > Fairfield in the year TM meditators began in > > > > > Fairfield and how many > > > > > reported offenses occured say last year? The trends > > > > > should point to > > > > > a declining crime rate given the significant number > > > > > of meditators in > > > > > the community. > > > > > > > > Based on the theory of the ME you are absolutely > > > > correct. If the TMO/MUM was serious about > > > > understanding the field effects of consciousness they > > > > would have to understand why the ME does not appear to > > > > work in Fairfield and expand the ME theory to > > > > integrate this apparent contradiction. They don't do > > > > this because the purpose of the the ME is political, > > > > not scientific. It is bandied about not in the spirit > > > > of understanding, but solely to promote TM. That's all > > > > MMY wanted to use it for, which is fine, but let's > > > > stop pretending we're interested in it for scientific > > > > reasons. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do You Yahoo!? > > > > Tired of spam? Yahoo! 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