--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], new.morning <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], new.morning <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Re: Guru Dev on changing gurus > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], new.morning <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > [...] > > > > > > And the translation refers to the one who was going to the > > guru as a > > > > > > "guru-bhakt" at least TM teacher / gov. We do, or have, followed a > > > > > > teacher/guru. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhakti means love/worship/etc. Many TM teachers, and most > > > > meditators/sidhas, are NOT in a > > > > > guru-bhkti relationship with MMY, or so I believe. > > > > > > > > > > Unless, of course, the term "bhakti" changes radically when added to > > > > "guru" which doesn't > > > > > seem likely. > > > > > > > > I was going by Paul's translation of guru-bhak, "follower". Paul what > > > > was your reasoning/ basis for saying "followeer" and not "devotee". > > > > > > > > It occured to me that a full-on bhakti relation might be implied. And > > > > it also occurred me that, in an "indian 1940's context", many if not > > > > most of the regular householder folk, flocking to see SBS once or > > > > twice a year, would be considered guru-bhaks, followers,even > > "devotees". > > > > > > > > Even, and perhaps specifically, the cooks, carpenters, shopkeepers, > > > > policmen etc who saw him infrequently, and many who never had a > > > > personal audience with him. They may have done guru puja to him every > > > > morning. They may have fully prostrated themselves on the ground > > > > before him. Thats a "devotee" in my book. Yet not a 24/7 staffer. > > > > > > > > I would look to translators, interpretors, cultural historians, and 80 > > > > year old hindus for clarification. Until then, you will have your > > > > read of it, I will have mine. > > > > > > But even given the above, most TMers and many/most TM teachers, are > > not in such a > > > relationship with MMY or Gurudev. > > > > I would suggest that tranlating such into a modern American / European > > context, many TM teachers, and some TMers (some real bhaktis > > and--seperate thought -- ninnies, there) are / were in such a > > relationship. However, if you do not grok such, from experience, or > > from the outlines of the suggestion, I am guessing that my making the > > detailed explicit case would not resonate with your experience or > > mind-set either. No foul. > > > > > I agree that some/many TM teachers and sme TMers were/are in such as relationship (at > least in their own minds) with MMY, or even Gurudev. > > I thought you were claiming a majority had this belief/attitude/whatever. > > Perhaps at some point in their careers, most TM teachers felt that way,
yes, that is my point. but certainly it > wasn't a rank-and-file attidude for TMers and probably not even for TM-Sidhas. No it wasn't. I would guess it was, for at least some time, for <1% of TMers (but 20% of core volunteers around the center), and maybe 5% of sidhas. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
