--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > > Same question to you that I asked whatever his name is. > > > Can you please name one person on the planet who you can > > > state unequivocally is fully Realized, 24X7 enlightened? > > > > Absolutely not. > > > Does this then make you a TNB- True Non Believer? In other words, > you castigate those who have been doing TM for years because they > have unassailable beliefs, and here you stand, like their bookend, > declaring just such an unassailable belief.
What unassailable belief? You asked whether I could state unequivocably that someone -- anyone -- was enlightened. I can't. Didn't you read the recent post in which I said that I don't believe that it is *possible* to say for sure whether someone is enlightened or not? Since I believe this, how could I possibly point to someone and say, "This person is enlightened?" > I guess it takes a True Non Believer to see a True Believer > doesn't it? And aren't they both pretty much the same? I > think so. You're losing it, Jim. The belief that I cannot say for sure that a person is enlightened is NOT the same thing as believing that no one is enlightened. Except in your mind, that is. I believe in enlightenment, and have have enlight- enment experiences myself. But do I consider myself enlightened? Of course not. Do I consider Maharishi enlightened? Nope, and I've explained why. Do I consider anyone else I have encountered in this life enlightened? Nope, not for certain. My experiences meditating with a few people suggest to me that they might be, but I don't know for sure, and probably never will. The difference between the two of us, Jim, seems to be that I am comfortable with "I don't know for sure and probably never will," and you are not. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
