sparaig wrote:

>--- In [email protected], Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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>>sparaig wrote:
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>>>--- In [email protected], Bhairitu <noozguru@> wrote:
>>>[...]
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>>>>Be sure to read the "Some Useful Hints" section.
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>>>Well, hmmmm...
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>>>"Sit on Padma or Siddha Asana. Close the eyes. Concentrate the gaze on the 
>>>Trikuti 
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>(space 
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>>>between the two eyebrows). Now, chant Dhirga Pranava (long OM) forcibly for 
>>>five 
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>minutes. 
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>>>This will remove Vikshepa or tossing of the mind. Concentration will ensue. 
>>>Now 
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>repeat 
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>>>OM mentally with Brahma-Bhavana. Whenever the mind begins to wander, again 
>>>chant 
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>OM 
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>>>verbally. As soon as the mind gets calm, mentally repeat OM again. The same 
>>>process 
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>can 
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>>>be adopted for Saguna meditation also."
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>>It's disingenuous of you to just focus on the other techniques Sivananda 
>>gives that are not TM like.   Sivananda gives plenty of tips on 
>>meditation that ARE TM-like.   Point is Maharishi did not invent the TM 
>>meditation process.  It's been around for ages.  Sorry to spoil your 
>>delusion.  Get over it.
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>Sorry, Didn't appear to make distinctions between one technique and the next.
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>>>Not to mention, hmmmm....
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>>>"In the beginning, when you are a neophyte, you can close your eyes to 
>>>remove the 
>>>distraction of mind, as you are very weak. But, later on, you must meditate 
>>>with eyes 
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>open, 
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>>>even during walking. You must keep your balance of mind even when you are in 
>>>the 
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>bustle 
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>>>of a city. Then only you are perfect. Why do you close your eyes during 
>>>meditation? 
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>Open 
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>>>your eyes and meditate. Think strongly that the world is unreal, that there 
>>>is no world, 
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>that 
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>>>there is Atman only. If you can meditate on Atman even when the eyes are 
>>>open, you 
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>will 
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>>>be a strong man. You will not be easily disturbed."
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>>So?   Meditating with the eyes open is a valid technique.  We teach that 
>>too.  It is not a part of TM but there are plenty of paragraphs in 
>>Sivananda's work that describe techniques used in the TM teaching.  
>>That's why I pointed out the Hints section.
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>Perhaps, but he says that only neophyte meditators meditate with eyes shut. 
>That implies 
>that the SAME technique is used in both eyes shut and eyes open cases.
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Yes that is how it is practiced.  But this isn't done in TM.



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