--- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], off_world_beings 
> <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
> > <shempmcgurk@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], off_world_beings 
> > > <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
> > <shempmcgurk@> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > On numerous occasions I have claimed on this forum that 
> > poverty 
> > > > > doesn't exist in America.
> > > > > 
> > > > > This article is one of the reasons I continually say 
this.  
> A 
> > > U.N. 
> > > > > report about a very basic necessity of life -- basic 
> > sanitation -
> > > - 
> > > > > was just released by the U.N.  Virtually no mention of the 
> > U.S. 
> > > or 
> > > > > Canada...but some 2.6 billion people in the world ARE in 
> need 
> > of 
> > > > > this very basic necessity of life.
> > > > > 
> > > > > It is an insult to the genuinely poor of the world to 
> > > continually 
> > > > > harp and whine about America's poor when there is NOT any 
> > > poverty -- 
> > > > > ZERO! -- in America.>>
> > > > 
> > > > ROFLMAO !  
> > > > Very stupid.  
> > > > Ever heard of 12 million illegal immigrants, without whom 
the 
> US 
> > > > economy would collapse, and you would be begging for food in 
> the 
> > > > streets, and they have no rights. They are put untrained 
into 
> > > jobs, 
> > > > where they have accidents , or get killed. The body is then 
> > > shipped 
> > > > off to their family or some associates, and a new 
replacement 
> > > slave is 
> > > > brought in to also go into the job untrained. Most accidents 
> in 
> > > work 
> > > > occur on farms and in construction. These are where these 
> > > immigrants 
> > > > mostly work. Also, the biggest cause of cancer in the 
> > > > world?....working as a laboror on a farm (exposed to raw 
> > > pesiticides 
> > > > etc.).
> > > > The average poor person in Afghanisthan is way better off 
than 
> > the 
> > > > average slave in America.
> > > > Your slaves have no choice but to come from Mexico and work 
on 
> a 
> > > farm 
> > > > there, because there is no work on farms in Mexico because a 
> > > mexican 
> > > > farmer, who is mostly unsubsidised, cannot compete with 
> American 
> > > > farmers, who are mostly subsidised by the US government. 
> Without 
> > > these 
> > > > government subsidies (paid for in large part by tax revenue 
> from 
> > > arms 
> > > > sales around the world) your farmers would go bankrupt 
> > overnight, 
> > > and 
> > > > you would be begging on the streets.
> > > > 
> > > > Wake up.
> > > > 
> > > > OffWorld
> > > >
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Although many of the social programs and laws that have gone 
> > towards 
> > > eliminating poverty in America certainly apply to illegal 
> > > immigrants, many do not.  Also, census reports and statistics 
> will 
> > > not applay either.
> > > 
> > > So if what you report above is, indeed, true, it is true 
outside 
> > the 
> > > legal framework and, certainly, the USA can't be blamed for it.
> > > 
> > > If you feel better, I will amend what I wrote originally and 
say 
> > > that what I claim applies only to legal residents of the 
USA.>>>
> > 
> > 
> > I think you need to re-read the post. You're not getting it.
> > You have millions of slaves in your country that are forced to 
> come 
> > here because of US government subsidies for US farmers...money 
> that 
> > US goverment gaines in large part by by tax revenue from arms 
> sales 
> > around the world . Arms sales for the US (and Britain) is 
probably 
> > one of the biggest businesses for the US, and it is expedient 
for 
> > the US economy that there is always a conflict or two somewhere. 
> The 
> > US government subsidises farms in the US, almost all of which 
> would 
> > be bankrupt without these subsidies , so the Mexican farmer 
cannot 
> > possibly compete as a farmer, so he cannot employ any farm 
workers 
> > (even though the land is can grow many produce commodoties), so 
> the 
> > Mexican workers go to where they can get some work of 
sorts...they 
> > go to the US, where they are used as slaves to prop up the US 
> > economy and without which the US economy would flounder, even 
with 
> > the arms sales, and the goverment would be kicked out on their 
> asses 
> > by the people (same in Europe by the way).
> > 
> > So how can you go around saying there is no poverty in US when 
> there 
> > are millions of slaves, and a US government farm policy that 
> > promotes and bolsters that situation and uses tax dollars to do 
it.
> > 
> > OffWorld
> >
> 
> Most of your post I won't dignify with a response.>>

Cop-out on your part in order to continue with your illusion about 
the US.

> But I will agree with you about the subsidies, which are a 
horrible 
> thing and, yes, they do horrible damage to third world countries.>>

Oh good.
Thats a start.

OffWorld







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