shempmcgurk wrote:
> --- In [email protected], Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>   
>> shempmcgurk wrote:
>>     
>>> --- In [email protected], SoulQuest7@ wrote:
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> The new documentary film WHO KILLED THE ELECTRIC CAR is quite 
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> excellent, but 
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> hardly surprising. If you need a good dose of intellectual tree 
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> hugging, then 
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> this is the film for you. Not surprisingly, the Bush 
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> administration (or the 
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> oil oligarchy as they known) in collusion with big oil 
>>>>         
> companies 
>   
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> and American 
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> car manufacturers,
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The last time this nonsense about the car manufacturers and the 
>>>       
> oil 
>   
>>> companies being in collusion came out -- in the '70s -- it was 
>>>       
> said 
>   
>>> that they were conspiring to make cars that unnecessarily 
>>>       
> consumed 
>   
>>> alot of gasoline so that the oil companies could make more money.
>>>
>>> Well, what a grand conspiracy that must have been!
>>>
>>> It almost ended up bankrupting the U.S. car manufacturers 
>>>       
> because, 
>   
>>> come the oil crisis of the '70s, the smaller more efficient 
>>>       
> Japanese 
>   
>>> car manufacturers almost took over the business.
>>>
>>> I haven't seen this movie so I can't really comment on it but I 
>>> suspect that there are reasons other than conspiracy for why the 
>>> electric car was "killed".
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> The film releases on Nov. 14th on DVD so you will have no excuse.  
>>     
> Your 
>   
>> favorite actor is in it: Mel Gibson.
>>     
>
>
>
>
> Why would you say he is my favourite actor?
>
> Like you, Mel is a Leftie...so it's more likely he'd be YOUR 
> favourite actor...
>
>
>   
Why are you a rightie?

>
>
>   
>>  Yup, ol' Mel owned an electric car 
>> and loved it.   Did you like "Independence Day"?  Dean Devlin also 
>> produced this film so it is not a funky documentary at all. 
>>
>> Chrysler produces electric cars though I would call them "carts" 
>>     
> as they 
>   
>> only can do 25 mph max.  The Chrysler dealer up the street sells 
>>     
> them 
>   
>> and they are called Gem Cars.  The problem is they need to do 40 
>>     
> mph or 
>   
>> you're going to piss people off following you on the city streets 
>>     
> many 
>   
>> of which are between 30-45 mph.
>> http://www.gemcar.com/
>>
>> With gas prices what have been (and will be again after the Nov 
>> elections) a lot people would like to own an electric car.  Some 
>>     
> of us 
>   
>> would like a Prius but the only version that makes any sense if 
>>     
> you do a 
>   
>> lot of in town driving is the 250 mph modified version which you 
>>     
> can 
>   
>> charge in your garage.   The movie points this out.
>>
>> Part of a car dealer's profit is the maintenance they do on your 
>>     
> car.  
>   
>> Guess what?  There is nearly none on an electric car.  So the 
>>     
> dealers 
>   
>> didn't like them.
>>
>>     
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> were the culprits. This is typical, given the 
>>>> anti-environmental history of the Republican Party. If you've 
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> followed environmental issues 
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> over the last several decades, and the film makes this point, 
>>>>         
> the 
>   
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> Republicans 
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> have always tried to destroy environmentally friendly policies.
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>
>>> "always"?
>>>
>>> The EPA was created under the Nixon Administration for God's 
>>>       
> sakes!
>   
>>>   
>>>       
>> So?  A lot of Republicans don't like to claim Nixon.  :)
>>     
>>>  This was made 
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> crystal clear to me when conservative darling Ronald Reagan 
>>>>         
> became 
>   
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> president. 
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> He defeated Jimmy Carter, a president with a strong 
>>>>         
> environmental 
>   
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> policy. The 
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> first thing Reagan did when he took office was to remove the 
>>>>         
> solar 
>   
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> panels from 
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> the White House because they were "undignified."
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, that's funny because when I first moved to the Phoenix, 
>>> Arizona area -- also in '94 there were quite a few homes in my 
>>> neighbourhood with solar panels.  Well, the price of energy has 
>>>       
> gone 
>   
>>> up quite a bit since then and virtually every single panel has 
>>> disappeared!
>>>
>>> I don't see them in Phoenix anywhere anymore.
>>>
>>> Was that a conspiracy, too?
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> I'm sure there still are.  There would be no reason for people to 
>>     
> take 
>   
>> them down.  You just refuse to see them.
>>     
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> This film does go a bit into 
>>>> this history, but anyone who has belonged to environmental 
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> organizations-- 
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> whose job is to monitor political decision making-- knew this 
>>>>         
> all 
>   
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> along. Still, 
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> it is impressive that documentaries are now being made that 
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> explain this before 
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> Bush even gets out of power. You too will mourn the passing of 
>>>>         
> the 
>   
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> electric 
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> car-- a technology that was ready and raring to go and already 
>>>>         
> in 
>   
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> the hands of 
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> consumers, but was literally crushed by Bush's oil oligarchy. -
>>>>         
> ==-
>   
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> =-=- 
>>>   
>>>       
>>>> om----=== Nick
>>>>
>>>>     
>>>>         
>>> If there is a market for electric cars, I can assure you that 
>>>       
> the 
>   
>>> car manufacturers will be the first ones through the door eager 
>>>       
> and 
>   
>>> willing to sell them to you.
>>>
>>>   
>>>       
>> There is a market for them.  But they brainwash macho goons into 
>> believing them must have a big muscle SUV or pickup which will 
>>     
> never 
>   
>> haul anything or go off road.   The manufacturers want to sell 
>>     
> those 
>   
>> before they are stuck with them.   The majority however is to 
>>     
> smart to 
>   
>> be suckered into that.
>>
>> I don't know why you love the oil companies so much other than you 
>>     
> must 
>   
>> hold stock in them.  You're falling behind the times, Shemp.
>>
>>     
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>
>
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