--- In [email protected], Bhairitu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> shempmcgurk wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], Bhairitu <noozguru@> wrote:
> >   
> >> shempmcgurk wrote:
> >>     
> >>> --- In [email protected], SoulQuest7@ wrote:
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> The new documentary film WHO KILLED THE ELECTRIC CAR is quite 
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>> excellent, but 
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> hardly surprising. If you need a good dose of intellectual 
tree 
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>> hugging, then 
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> this is the film for you. Not surprisingly, the Bush 
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>> administration (or the 
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> oil oligarchy as they known) in collusion with big oil 
> >>>>         
> > companies 
> >   
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>> and American 
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> car manufacturers,
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The last time this nonsense about the car manufacturers and 
the 
> >>>       
> > oil 
> >   
> >>> companies being in collusion came out -- in the '70s -- it was 
> >>>       
> > said 
> >   
> >>> that they were conspiring to make cars that unnecessarily 
> >>>       
> > consumed 
> >   
> >>> alot of gasoline so that the oil companies could make more 
money.
> >>>
> >>> Well, what a grand conspiracy that must have been!
> >>>
> >>> It almost ended up bankrupting the U.S. car manufacturers 
> >>>       
> > because, 
> >   
> >>> come the oil crisis of the '70s, the smaller more efficient 
> >>>       
> > Japanese 
> >   
> >>> car manufacturers almost took over the business.
> >>>
> >>> I haven't seen this movie so I can't really comment on it but 
I 
> >>> suspect that there are reasons other than conspiracy for why 
the 
> >>> electric car was "killed".
> >>>
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >> The film releases on Nov. 14th on DVD so you will have no 
excuse.  
> >>     
> > Your 
> >   
> >> favorite actor is in it: Mel Gibson.
> >>     
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Why would you say he is my favourite actor?
> >
> > Like you, Mel is a Leftie...so it's more likely he'd be YOUR 
> > favourite actor...
> >
> >
> >   
> Why are you a rightie?



I'm not a rightie; I'm a libertarian...

Why would you think Mel is my favourite actor?




> 
> >
> >
> >   
> >>  Yup, ol' Mel owned an electric car 
> >> and loved it.   Did you like "Independence Day"?  Dean Devlin 
also 
> >> produced this film so it is not a funky documentary at all. 
> >>
> >> Chrysler produces electric cars though I would call 
them "carts" 
> >>     
> > as they 
> >   
> >> only can do 25 mph max.  The Chrysler dealer up the street 
sells 
> >>     
> > them 
> >   
> >> and they are called Gem Cars.  The problem is they need to do 
40 
> >>     
> > mph or 
> >   
> >> you're going to piss people off following you on the city 
streets 
> >>     
> > many 
> >   
> >> of which are between 30-45 mph.
> >> http://www.gemcar.com/
> >>
> >> With gas prices what have been (and will be again after the Nov 
> >> elections) a lot people would like to own an electric car.  
Some 
> >>     
> > of us 
> >   
> >> would like a Prius but the only version that makes any sense if 
> >>     
> > you do a 
> >   
> >> lot of in town driving is the 250 mph modified version which 
you 
> >>     
> > can 
> >   
> >> charge in your garage.   The movie points this out.
> >>
> >> Part of a car dealer's profit is the maintenance they do on 
your 
> >>     
> > car.  
> >   
> >> Guess what?  There is nearly none on an electric car.  So the 
> >>     
> > dealers 
> >   
> >> didn't like them.
> >>
> >>     
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> were the culprits. This is typical, given the 
> >>>> anti-environmental history of the Republican Party. If you've 
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>> followed environmental issues 
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> over the last several decades, and the film makes this point, 
> >>>>         
> > the 
> >   
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>> Republicans 
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> have always tried to destroy environmentally friendly 
policies.
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>>
> >>> "always"?
> >>>
> >>> The EPA was created under the Nixon Administration for God's 
> >>>       
> > sakes!
> >   
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >> So?  A lot of Republicans don't like to claim Nixon.  :)
> >>     
> >>>  This was made 
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> crystal clear to me when conservative darling Ronald Reagan 
> >>>>         
> > became 
> >   
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>> president. 
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> He defeated Jimmy Carter, a president with a strong 
> >>>>         
> > environmental 
> >   
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>> policy. The 
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> first thing Reagan did when he took office was to remove the 
> >>>>         
> > solar 
> >   
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>> panels from 
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> the White House because they were "undignified."
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Well, that's funny because when I first moved to the Phoenix, 
> >>> Arizona area -- also in '94 there were quite a few homes in my 
> >>> neighbourhood with solar panels.  Well, the price of energy 
has 
> >>>       
> > gone 
> >   
> >>> up quite a bit since then and virtually every single panel has 
> >>> disappeared!
> >>>
> >>> I don't see them in Phoenix anywhere anymore.
> >>>
> >>> Was that a conspiracy, too?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >> I'm sure there still are.  There would be no reason for people 
to 
> >>     
> > take 
> >   
> >> them down.  You just refuse to see them.
> >>     
> >>>
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> This film does go a bit into 
> >>>> this history, but anyone who has belonged to environmental 
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>> organizations-- 
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> whose job is to monitor political decision making-- knew this 
> >>>>         
> > all 
> >   
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>> along. Still, 
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> it is impressive that documentaries are now being made that 
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>> explain this before 
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> Bush even gets out of power. You too will mourn the passing 
of 
> >>>>         
> > the 
> >   
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>> electric 
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> car-- a technology that was ready and raring to go and 
already 
> >>>>         
> > in 
> >   
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>> the hands of 
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> consumers, but was literally crushed by Bush's oil 
oligarchy. -
> >>>>         
> > ==-
> >   
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>> =-=- 
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >>>> om----=== Nick
> >>>>
> >>>>     
> >>>>         
> >>> If there is a market for electric cars, I can assure you that 
> >>>       
> > the 
> >   
> >>> car manufacturers will be the first ones through the door 
eager 
> >>>       
> > and 
> >   
> >>> willing to sell them to you.
> >>>
> >>>   
> >>>       
> >> There is a market for them.  But they brainwash macho goons 
into 
> >> believing them must have a big muscle SUV or pickup which will 
> >>     
> > never 
> >   
> >> haul anything or go off road.   The manufacturers want to sell 
> >>     
> > those 
> >   
> >> before they are stuck with them.   The majority however is to 
> >>     
> > smart to 
> >   
> >> be suckered into that.
> >>
> >> I don't know why you love the oil companies so much other than 
you 
> >>     
> > must 
> >   
> >> hold stock in them.  You're falling behind the times, Shemp.
> >>
> >>     
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>







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