--- In [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > In a message dated 9/30/06 10:50:06 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: > > Oh, but Shemp, you *first* have to find him guilty of being a terrorist and > > he has the right of due process, being informed of his rights, being > charged, > > having an attorney present, having time to prepare a defense and then a > jury > > of *his* peers. And then once he is found guilty and run out of appeals > you > > can't do anything to violate his rights or subject him to cruel or unusual > > punishment. It reminds me of the Pakistani general on the 911 mini series > that > > said to the CIA agent that captured RamsyYusef, " give me two hours with > him > > and I'll get you all the information you want that he has". Then later > when > > our FBI agents interrogate a terrorist all they could do was threaten to > tell > > his momma that her son was a terrorist. > > > > You like simplistic world models, don't you? > > Spair What I wrote above on the first line came almost verbatim > from a poster on this list a couple of years ago when torture was > discussed before. They believed that terrorist suspects should > have all the rights of an American citizen being accused of a > crime and that they were innocent until proven guilty.
You keep forgetting the context, MDixon. This is Dershowitz's hypothetical, in which we have someone we are dead certain is a terrorist with information about a nuclear bomb set to go off in an American city within hours. > Of course they didn't say where they would stand if they were > tried and found guilty of being a terrorist. But I have no doubt > that same person would still object to any forced interrogation > that might be *uncomfortable* for them. Any interrogations should follow Geneva Convention rules, of course. Where do you stand Spair? If you were President and had a high profile > terrorist in custody who had lots of information on terrorist activity and he > wanted to kill your countrymen by the thousands, would you just let him sit in a > prison, silent? Are you familiar with the phrase "false dichotomy"? BTW, the Constitution wasn't written in order to give American citizens special rights above noncitizens. It was to set out the principles of human rights the United States believes apply to all, *as exemplified by* the rights guaranteed to American citizens. The idea that it's perfectly proper to apply lower standards to noncitizens is a perversion of what the Constitution stands for. To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
