--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> 
> So I came up with my own half-assed theory of 
> how to tell what the real *intent* was behind
> any political post on the Internet or what the
> real *intent* was behind any political speech or
> ad. It's pretty simple -- just determine the 
> EMOTION that the post or speech or ad is appealing
> to. What emotion does the speaker want you to FEEL 
> after reading or hearing it?
> 
> I highly recommend it as an exercise in "seeing."
> Just read some of the posts here, or the speeches
> being tossed around in the political arena, and
> *especially* the carefully-crafted ads that appear
> during election time. 
> 
> If you sit back and determine that the poster/
> speaker wants you to feel outraged and angry when
> you read/hear what they post, then their *intent*
> is clear, and to some extent the inevitable karma
> of their approach is equally clear. Anger begets
> more anger; chances are that the person who appeals
> to this emotion is *comfortable* being angry, and
> thus *intends* others to be...and stay...as angry
> as he is. Same with hatred, but to an even greater
> degree -- those who find it easy to hate tend to
> cast their speech in terms of "justified hatred."
> And the easiest of all "messages" to suss out are
> those that appeal to fear; it's pretty clear that
> the speaker wants you to *feel* fear after hearing
> the message. Such people are comfortable living 
> in fear, and they want others to live there, too,
> because a fearful people are an easily-controlled
> people.
> 
> And, once you've developed this trick of viewing
> the political rhetoric of the world in terms of
> what EMOTION it appeals to, notice how *rare* it
> is that anyone appeals to the higher emotions --
> joy, love, caring for one's fellow man, etc. 

This is a good thought. However, it can evolve to "dome-talk" the
blissy-speak of rajas and PM's of the Global Coutry of Peace.

Regardless, appealing to positive qualities, highlighting and
encouraging the good in someones' posts or ideas, creating a feeling
of community and the feedom to open up, are good things. Its rare here
on FFL now. It was much more as above several years ago. 

I think we all fall into the trap of focusing on the negative, and
"put-downs" -- subtle or blatant. It can be a razor edge road however.
To uncover more knowledge, it is useful to point out and explore gaps
in a posts' logic, facts, grookingness of something, etc. To do so
while highlighting the good in the post, and inspiring the poster to
reach for new heights is a special skill perhaps, that can be honed.
lately, often exercised around here, IMO.

I have to laugh a bit at the irony of your good thoughts here, and
your practice at times -- perhaps all happliy in the past -- of, IMO,
"putting people down". Slamming them on the mat -- the louder the
"thud" the better -- it appears. Hardly inspiring for the poster --
and reader. Most just delete such or move on when the full-body slams
start. But we all do such, fall into such ruts, at times. Even when we
start down a more pristine road of trying to uncover gaps and twisted
knots in some post or flow of ideas in order to provide catalysts to
open up the understanding of everyone. 

One trap, it appears to me, is, having seen some real or imagined
"flaw" in some post, to enliven the habit we all have at times, to
imput motives to others for their flaws. Usually as a put down. This
takes the discussion off the main thing -- the gap in the ideas of the
post -- to "personal things". Often the discuss then devolves to "I am
NOT a retard with daddy issues and a fear of my limitations! I AM NOT.
But YOU ARE, NA NA NA NA! Sol There!"

How wonderful the flow of posts might be if we all stuck to the ideas
expressed, their merits, perhaps weaknesss. And if the latter, some
information and insight that heals he flaw. And should we decide the
inner dynamics of the poster is really relevant, to first see and own
up to the same flaw in ourselves -- past, present. Such as, "An
interesting dynamic I have strugggled with, is xyz. Here are some
things that helped me overcome this limitation. BtW, I feel better,
things go better for me, having overcome this obstacle in my inner life. "

Regardless, I applaud your thought and flow in this post. It makes me
think of how I can better apply it in my posts -- and life. Any ideas
from you and others on how you might do so too, in your lives? 

And, IF you have some insights, I invite you to suggest how  i might
also do so in my life. However, i suggest you limit your suggestion
for others to those offering such an invitation. Its been my
life-experience that unsolictied advice is rarely effective. 



 

>To
> his credit, Maharishi sometimes does this, although
> he tends to muddy the message up with appeals to
> fear and self importance a lot. But most of the
> other "pundits" of the world seem to have settled
> for appeals to righteous anger or downright hatred
> and most often fear in their attempts to reach the 
> people and "inspire" them to do what the "pundits" 
> want them to do.
> 
> Me, I'm waiting for someone -- anyone -- who can
> cast his political message in terms of a positive
> message, and who rises above the "easy path" of
> casting it in a negative light. It's *easy* (and
> *lazy*) to present one's political "solution" in
> terms of the "bad guys" and try to stir up anger
> and/or hatred against them. But if you look at
> history, these types of people rarely have anything
> positive of their own to contribute once they've
> gotten rid of the "bad guys." IMO, it's because
> they've given little to no thought to what it
> means to be a "good guy," and to actually have
> some positive solutions. It's *easy* to blame,
> and so these lazy fucks just blame. They *need*
> the "bad guys," because they have no real positive
> ideas of their own to present.
> 
> I'm waiting for the politician, whatever their
> party affiliation, who seems to remember that there
> *is* such a thing as positivity, and who casts his or
> her speech in a positive light, appealing to the
> positive and life-supporting emotions of the public
> he/she claims to want to help. Unfortunately, it
> looks as if I may have to wait a long time...
>






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