--- In [email protected], new.morning <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
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> The ACLU's critics point out that habeas corpus protections
> were never intended to apply to terrorists and other sworn
> enemies of the USA.
>
> The last paragraph is such a horror of double talk. Habeas corpus
> protections were CERTAINLY intended to apply to all US Citizens.

It's not just doubletalk, it's flat-out wrong,
a complete misinterpretation of the purpose
of the Constitution.

The Constitution does not guarantee rights to
U.S. citizens because we somehow deserve them
whereas others do not; it guarantees them to
us because this country was founded on the
principle that human rights should be guaranteed
to all human beings.

Obviously we can't guarantee that citizens of
other countries will be guaranteed human rights
by their governments; but we can and do 
guarantee rights to citizens of this country
and citizens of other countries who come under
our jurisdiction, *including* to our sworn
enemies.

As the NY Times pointed out in an editorial
yesterday, "Americans have never believed
that human rights are just for Americans. Our
nation is outraged when an authoritarian
government jails an American, or one of its
own citizens, on trumped-up charges and brings
him or her before a phony court."

On MSNBC's "Countdown" tonight, constitutional
law professor Jonathan Turley told Keith
Olbermann:

"The framers created a system where we did not
have to rely on the good graces or good mood of
the president.  In fact, Madison said that he
created a system essentially to be run by devils,
where they could not do harm, because we didn't
rely on their good motivations.

"Now we must.  And people have no idea how
significant this is, what, really, a time of
shame this is for the American system.  What the
Congress did and what the president signed today
essentially revokes over 200 years of American
principles and values."





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