--- In [email protected], [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>  
> In a message dated 10/25/06 11:22:21 A.M. Central Daylight Time,  
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
> 
> In [EMAIL PROTECTED] (mailto:[email protected]) ,  
> "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> (mailto:[email protected]) ,  MDixon6569@ wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > If Obama can't or won't  speak openly against gay marriage
> > > or abortion he will not attract  the devout Christian vote,
> > > no matter how much he says he is a  Christian.
> > 
> > Just for the record, it's not necessary to  be
> > against gay marriage and/or abortion in order
> > to be a  "devout Christian."
> 
> P.S.: Obama is personally strongly pro-life  (don't
> know about gay marriage). However, he does not
> believe in  imposing his religious values on others,
> particularly not via  legislation.
> 
> (He doesn't want to "change the Democratic position"
> on  abortion, BTW, contrary to what the article Shemp
> posted claimed. He *does*  want to be able to have a
> mutually respectful dialogue about abortion,  which
> neither Democrats nor Republicans tend to be very
> good  at.)
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Actually when I refer to devout Christian, I'm referring to the repentant  
> soul. One who accepts the original teaching of the Church, not the Apostate  
> church. One can not be repentant and believe  either of these activities is  
> OK 
> or should be acceptable. Abortion was a common practice among pagans  
> surrounding the ancient Jews, But Jews rejected the practice. While the  
> Bible never 
> mentions the word abortion specifically it was unthinkable for a  Jewish 
> woman 
> to even entertain the thought of abortion as all life was  considered sacred 
> and to have children was considered a blessing  and to be without children 
> was a 
> curse.  Our laws are based up  the Ten Commandments and other Hebraic law. 
> Thou shalt not murder. And clearly  Psalm 139:13-14 make clear that God 
> creates 
> you and knows you in the womb. The  early church also clearly says in the 
> Didache-The Lord's Teaching Through the  Twelve Apostles to the Nations, 
> Chapter 
> 2, Grave Sins Forbidden, "you shall not  murder a child by abortion nor kill 
> that which is unborn". To support laws that  allow the killing of the unborn 
> would be like offering your gold to the person  building the golden calf with 
> full knowledge you are doing so. The devout  Christian does not pick and 
> choose 
> what he/she wants to and disregard the rest.  That is apostasy and forbidden. 
> So an Apostate Christian can call himself devout  all he wants, but 
> definitely 
> not devout to the original Word. If Obama can not  or will not renounce his 
> party's position on abortion or gay marriage the truly  devout will have 
> nothing 
> to do with him, though he may attract the ear of the  *pick and choose what 
> you want to believe and practice* Christian who calls  himself devout.
>

The Old Testament gives this punishment for causing a miscarriage (makes no 
distinction 
between deliberate or accidental): the one responsible must pay a fine to 
compensate the 
father for his loss...




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