--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > [...] > > > > What do the Jews say in the Talmud? > > > > http://www.libchrist.com/other/abortion/exodus.html > > [...] > > Theologian Millard Erickson notes that in this view, "the lex talionis [life for life] is applied > only if the mother is harmed. On this basis it is concluded that the fetus was not > considered a soul or a person, and thus is not to be thought of as fully human." Millard > Erickson, Christian Theology (Grand Rapids: Baker Book House, 1985), p. 555. > > Further related to the abortion argument there are many other bible passages that are > more clearly about abortion and never a word about it being wrong. > > Since the passage is in the OT, the Jewish view is also of some value to evaluate the > passage: > > Jerome's Commentary, a highly respected source explains: "If a pregnant women should > suffer a miscarriage as a result of a blow, the guilty party need only make a monetary > compensation demanded by her husband; however should the woman die, capital > punishment is proscribed for the offender." This is confirmed by the Jewish teachings that > abortion is never considered murder. If the fetus had been considered an independent > entity, there would have been an life for a life penalty for murder. > > The Talmud says that a fetus is its mothers thigh (Hulin 58a and Gittin 23b), and it has no > legal rights. Even once the birth process starts the fetus can be destroyed to save the > women from physical or mental harm. In order for a fetus to be considered a nefesh adam > (a living person), its head must have emerged from the birth canal. Sanhedrin 72b states: > it (the fetus) is not a person and therefore its life is inferior to its mothers life. > > If it was a live birth the verse would have said something like "Tinoch ha' nolad". "tinoch" > being the word for baby or infant. The verse HAS ALWAYS been translated by the Jews to > mean miscarriage. > > Another more direct abortion example in the Sanhedrin is a discussion of what to do with > a pregnant women who has been sentenced to death. They conclude she should be beat > on the stomach prior to the execution; thereby preventing her from going into labor. It > makes no difference how far along she is, the fetus dies with the mother. "I cite this > Halacha because it puts the status of the fetus into a Halachic perspective. Even if it could > be viable it has no rights unto itself." - Norman Slurzberg > > In Exodus the lost fetus was a property offense only. The fine was required since it > deprived the Husband the property rights and value of a future child (to work in fields if > boy, or marriage price if girl). Since no life taken, no life for a life penalty only to > compensate husband for potential property loss. > > Many get caught up in fetal envy emotions and think abortion is terrible and they assume > God feels the same way. However, the Bible does not back them up. What they are doing is > projecting their own personal belief systems onto God and then claiming Him as an > authority to promote THEIR beliefs, not the original Word of God. > When asked about abortion Maharishi said it was like burning down an empty house. Reffering to, I suppose, that the soul had not yet entered the fetus at that point, so the fetus is "empty"
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