--- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "> If someone
> > is cruel, give him a life as a leper, that will straighten him out!
> 
> What an incredible strawman. Come on curtis, you can do better. :)
> "
> 
> I think you and Judy and I are all aligned on the reality of how we
> should live our lives with or without the belief in Karma.    But my
> example is not a straw man, it is one of the many specific predictions
> in Vedic scriptures for retributions by the laws of karma for specific
> acts.  

OK. i misunderstood. That you were stating that a human court would do
so (leper).

>My source for evaluating the theory of karma is Vedic scripture
> based, and they state the case in the simplistic terms I am using.  


I suppose you could use the Laws of Manu to reject everything "vedic"
-- but that would be throwing out the baby with the bath water, IMO. 


Is
> there is another authority for the theory that I am overlooking
> perhaps that states the case in a more sophisticated way?  

I highly recommend:
http://www.amazon.com/Aghora-III-Robert-E-Svoboda/dp/0914732374/sr=8-1/qid=1161964955/ref=sr_1_1/102-0438253-4052907?ie=UTF8&s=books
        
Aghora III: The Law of Karma (Paperback)
by Robert E. Svoboda 

Tantra, sex, good scotch, horseracing and karma. Whats not to like!

Some reviews: 

Reading Aghora: The Law of Karma reminded me of how desperately the
west needs a street wise yogi like Vimalananda-one who doesn't sugar
coat things with New Age cliches or con their followers like so many
gurus-gone-corrupt have, particularly in the USA. I enjoyed
Vimalananda's sequeways from acute observations on horse racing to the
esoteric dimensions of tantric yoga that rarely reach the light of
day, particularly in the west. After reading this book, I further
developed the ability to more accurately read the karma of people by
looking at their auras-most useful in gaining a deeper understanding
of what motivates people to do the things they do,. what fears,
aversions they have, etc. I recommend this book along with the
previous titles as well. Svobhoda was most fortunate to have crossed
paths with this unusual yogi indeed.
-----

BRAVO!!!Robert Svoboda has delivered another page-turner in his series
of wonderful books about that awesome Aghori, Vimalananda. May the
Blessings of the Divine Mother be upon them both!These books are truly
life-transforming in that they open up vast new vistas in the
"Tantric" world, where one may see that Tantra is not just the "Sex"
Path but instead much deeper and more profound. This book's
expositions on the Law of Karma are an amazing study in human
relationships and the duties and debts which we all owe.


> I do understand the theory of cause and effect as mechanical and not a
> part of human values.  But since I don't share that belief in the
> mechanism, I view karmic theory in this personal way. 

Ok. You don't believe in gravity or thermodyanamics (clearly cause and
effect). That doesn't mean gravity doesn't effect you.

>But
> either way, we try to act according to our own moral standards in the
> world.  It is one of man's ultimate questions and I enjoy expressing
> my personal views and hearing yours on it.

Yes. Your points make me dig a bit deeper.

 





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