--- In [email protected], Louis McKenzie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> Well Guys what does one get from MMY Bashing.  Is there some 
thrill in it?   



No, release of stress.

It's also an affirmation of MMY's own teaching.  TM is supposed to 
be a cult or a guru/disciple path or a bakti path.

Indeed, I contend that those who make it such are off the program.

Having said that, I hope I myself do not come across on this forum 
as too much of an MMY-basher because that's not my intention.  I've 
been doing TM twice a day for the better part of 33 years and think 
it's the best thing since sliced bread.  But I think it's much more 
healthy for both my own psychology and the health of the TMO when 
well-deserved and much-needed introspection and critical analysis of 
the TMO and MMY's policies and decisions are actually talked about, 
discussed, and debated.

I actually think that this forum may be the only such venue for this 
around (amt is too full of other discussions).  Indeed, I consider 
it a good work on Rick's part (a "mitzvah" if you will) for starting 
this group.




> 
> Figure if you have time to MMY bash that means you are not doing 
all you can do to benefit from any of the things anyway.   So maybe 
there is a nother consciousness at hand.  In the world especially US 
there are many people who are born cryers.   If they dont see where 
they are getting their satisfaction they cry fraud.   
> 
> I had a good friend he built a company that sold water 
purification multilevel.  The US Gov.  too him and his compnay down 
because some people who jumped in jumped in with all they had plus 
in order to get RICH.  WHen they found things weren't quite like 
they were told they decided to sue.  
> 
> Basically there are many people like me who have read the GITA a 
zillion times because MMY said that each time you read chapter 2 it 
brings you closer to CC.   Nice line of Bullshit.   
> 
> But maybe it was not complete BS.   The thing is TM has value 
meditation is valuable.   So maybe there is more to do.  Well look 
at all the more that has come about in the last 30 years.   maybe it 
is better to take the value and do what you need to do than to sit 
around wasting time complaining???????= Nothing better to do???  OH 
BOY!
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: sparaig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: [email protected]
> Sent: Saturday, October 28, 2006 2:29:32 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: A theory of Karma, TMOers, and the 
TMO's "Persona"
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Vaj <vajranatha@ ...> 
wrote:
> >
> > 
> > On Oct 27, 2006, at 1:46 PM, jim_flanegin wrote:
> > 
> > > Geez, really hard to say. Rather I think it is a case of 
trying to
> > > explain the enigma that Maharishi appears to be to so many, in 
a not
> > > very positive way. I do get the sense that Vaj indulges in a 
far
> > > amount of Maharishi and TM bashing 'off camera'.
> > 
> > 
> > No, it was merely a counterpoint, an "all possibilities" POV to 
New 
> > Morn's rosy romanticism and the rose-colors glasses he seems to 
wear 
> > much of the time.
> > 
> > For example, how do you ignore that the era of good times of New 
> > Morn's first phase also corresponded to his Spiritual Incest 
phase? I 
> > don't know, but it received not a mention. Bizarre.
> >
> 
> perhaps because New Morning never saw it and chooses not to assume 
that hearsay is true?
>





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