--- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > So you're saying that I can't occassionally sign my messages as a > 'former vedic surf' anymore, right? :) > > JohnY > > > I think we all can use that signiture in this group John! > >
No, nooo, nooooo! I meant that if we westerners are *lower* than untouchables and/or the 'unseen' then I can't use the word *vedic*. And 'former surf' just doesn't seen right.... It's such a quandry, but I'm sure for a quarter million or so someone will straighten it out... Rectify my house or my genes or my wife or something.... (LOL) > --- In [email protected], "jyouells2000" <jyouells@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > I agree that other cultures can be totally classist, and the poor of > > > every society have it very tough. I can also see the value of passing > > > down a family business or even profession. But the cruel rigidity of > > > the caste system for the lower castes was fought by Buddha and Gandhi > > > because they opposed its effects that they witnessed. There may be an > > > abstract religious honor credited to the lower castes but there is no > > > wealth. > > > > > > My understanding is that Guru Dev's camp was anti Gandhi for this > > > reason. As we know it was a Hindu fundamentalist who knocked Gandhi > > > off. ( I am not making an off-the-wall accusation here!) MMY believes > > > that the present caste system is improperly applied today because of > > > ignorance and his A of E will make it all work wonderfully. The > > > system seems fine to doctors sons, but not so fine for a leather > > > tanner shudra who has an interest in becoming something else. I'll > > > bet the tech boom is blowing some of these class barriers down over > > > there just as it did here. > > > > > So you're saying that I can't occassionally sign my messages as a > > 'former vedic surf' anymore, right? :) > > > > JohnY > > > > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], new.morning no_reply@ wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "curtisdeltablues" > > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Well I can cop to my own waking state ignorance, but I never heard > > MMY > > > > > deny the details or the caste system contained in the Vedic texts > > in > > > > > this way. Sanatana Dharma is in full support for the caste system > > and > > > > > Guru Dev was its champion. So even though your point may be valid > > in > > > > > MMY's system for the 4 main Vedas, the texts that came later make > > > > > specific claims about the world. One of those details are the > > > > > structure of the caste system which is supported by MMY every time > > he > > > > > talks about it. > > > > > > > > What I heard MMY say of caste has, in my words -- not his, a genetic > > > > basis -- and a micro-cultural aka family environment basis. If your > > > > father is a doctor, and your mother is a doctor (I know several > > people > > > > like that), then the probability is you will have an easier time > > being > > > > a doctor than something else. You have a genetic disposition towards > > > > it. And by the time you are 18, you already know huge amount about > > > > being a doctor -- just from dinner convos, walks on vacations > > talking > > > > with parents, seeing them with their peers, etc. > > > > > > > > That view makes sense to me. Not that it should be iron clad. Nor > > iron > > > > chains to keep one "down". > > > > > > > > And there is honor, fame and wealth in all four "castes". A "sudra" > > > > might be a skilled craftsman, or artist or baseball player. > > > > > > > > And the four main castes are seen in most cultures-- by different > > names. > > > > > > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
