--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, coldbluiceman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > spare egg <Lawson English> wrote: > > > coldbluiceman wrote: > > > > spare egg <Lawson English> wrote: > > > > > cold blu ice man wrote: > > > > > > sparaig wrote: > > > > > > > Alex Stanley wrote: > > > > > > > > > spare egg wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > cold blu ice man wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > As no "pundit" worth his salt would > > > > > > > > > > > > make a claim > > > > > > > > > > > > (or allow another to > > > > > > > > > > > > make a claim) that would insinuate > > > > > > > > > > > > a group of pundits > > > > > > > > > > > > chanting "Vedic verses" could > > > > > > > > > > > > change the course of human events. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What is a mahayagya, O Sagacious One? > > > > > > > This: http://alex.natel.net/misc/ww2_yagya.jpg ???? > > > > > > > > > > Namaste Sir Alex John Stanely Ji.., > > > > > i must politley inform you that the photo you > > > > > are looking at is the-- > > > > > Khumba Mela taken in 1944 on the banks of the > > > > > Jamuna/Yamuna river. > > > > > The oldest Mela, the Khumba Mela, is held once > > > > > every 12 years at the > > > > > junction of the three sacred rivers > > > > > (Ganges, Yamuna, and Saraswati) > > > > > and attended by more than 40 million people. > > > > > Now the dates of the > > > > > Khumba Mela are set to the specific location > > > > > using astrological > > > > > calculations based upon the placement of > > > > > planet Jupiter, also there > > > > > are ardha-Khumbas held every 6 years > > > > > on the Jamuna River. > > > > > > > > > > ..."The Kumbha Mela takes place every four years > > > > > in rotation at > > > > > Haridwar, Prayag (Allahabad), Nasik and Ujjain, > > > > > according to the > > > > > placement of Jupiter in the Zodiac. > > > > > A modern innovation, there are > > > > > also popular half-melas, ardha-kumbhas, > > > > > every six years at Haridwar > > > > > and Prayag. It is at Prayag, where the > > > > > Yamuna River joins the Ganga, > > > > > that the largest number of human beings in > > > > > history gathered--15 > > > > > million on February 6, 1989. Haridwar, > > > > > logistically less convenient, > > > > > managed ten million on April 14, 1998. > > > > > Still, that's five times this > > > > > year's two million Muslim pilgrims who journeyed > > > > > to Mecca for the > > > > > Haj, the second largest gathering..." > > > > > http://www.hinduismtoday.com/archives/1998/9/1998-9-11.shtml > > > > > > > > > > Now AJ Ji..,what were you lead to > > > > > believe that photo is?? > > > > > > > > > > > According to Steve Perino, > > > > > > no pundit worth his salt would make the > > > > > > claim that would > > > > > > insinutate a group of pundits chanting > > > > > > Vedic verses could change the course of human > > > > > > events.... > > > > > > > > > > i won't address poor Sir Lawson Ji until > > > > > his doctors have screened > > > > > him for paranoia & delusional behavior. > > > > > But having said that- if indeed that > > > > > was a "world peace" gathering > > > > > in Prayag in 1944(which i am not sayning it was).. > > > > > It sadly did not have the > > > > > desired effect as how many estimated > > > > > millions died during Summer 1944 and Summer 1945 in WWII?? > > > > > > > > > > How many a-bombs did we drop on Japan in the Summer of 1945? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never commented on the efficacy of such programs, > > > > merely on your claim that they are > > > > not traditional. > > > > > > Namaste Sir Lawson Ji.., > > > i must politely inquire-, are you off your meds again?.. > > > and when did i *EVER* say yagya was-, "not traditional"?? > > > > > > Stop making this stuff up!!.. > > > i am going stop posting to you if you don't > > > get professional help. > > > > > > > I ask again: what is a mahayagya and... what is it FOR? > > > > > > Pancha Mahayagya has a fivefold(hence Pancha) > > > with desired personal > > > results for all aspects of family life > > > with regards to *PERSONAL* > > > spiritual upliftment: > > > 1. DEVOTION TOWARDS PARENTS > > > 2. DEVOTION AND FAITHFULNESS TOWARDS THE HUSBAND > > > 3. EQUALITY > > > 4. RIGHT CONDUCT AND CHARACTER > > > 5. ADORATION OF LORD VISHNU AND SINGING HYMNS IN HIS PRAISES > > > http://urday.com/panch-2.html > > > > > > > Hint to lurkers: google "mahayagya" > > > > > > Sorry LawsonJi nothing with regards to "world peace".., > > > now please > > > get screened by your professional > > > mental health care provider..for > > > your family's sake. > > > > > > > Heh. So mahayagya is only for the individual? The term "pancha > > mahayajnas" (mahayagyas) refers specifically > > to individual daily rituals. > > Naamste Sir Lawson Ji.., > i must politley remind you the term- "pancha" refers to count of 5 > items or things. > For example the PanchaTanMantras-(subtle elements of matter) > Sabda, Sparsa, Rupa, Rasa and Gandha. >
Yes, and the term "pancha mahayajnas" or "pancha mahayagyas" refers specifically to rituals performed by individuals. > i thought you said Annop Chandola schooled you in Sanskrit? Who told you that? > > > However, mahayajna also refers to the great > > rituals done by massive groups for many > > different purposes. Had you done a google search > > on mahayagya rather than "pancha > > mahayagya" you would have noted this > > immediately since there is only one hit for "pancha > > mahayagya" with quotes: the one you gave us. > > Talk about a transparent attempt to skew > > the information to support your argument! > > i did not skew anything Sir Lawsonji. Of course you did. Had you done a google search on "mahayagya" rather than "pancha mahayagya" you would have found numorous mentions to peace, world peace, and so on, and not just by TM-related websites. "pancha mahayagya" refers specifically to rituals performed by individuals. Generically, mahayagya or mahayajna refers to "great yagyas" performed by large groups, often for the purpose of influencing the environment in specific ways, like stopping a war. > > That being said..,lets go through your list to determine: > 1). if any of this great info you posted has anything at all to do > with the "tmo pundits"..and more importantly John Hagelin's > *Anticipated Results* of the "tmo pundit project" in America..and > The only question is whether or not you're willing to admit that you make mistakes. In fact, it is obvious that you made a beg one and simply are unable to admit to it. Mahayagyas or mahayajnas generically refer to rituals performed by large groups, often for purposes like peace, better crops and so on. > 2). if any of this info has to do with my assertion that-- > *the "tmo pundit project" could not influence the american society > and its course of human events*, and if anyone(read Mishmashi > brahmachari Prasad Varma Mahesh) could make a claim as such. > Nope You said that no pundit would ever make a claim. You didn't say anything originally about them only being Maharishi Vedic Pundits, because obviously, such pundits, valid in your eyes or not, DO make such claims. You were trying to claim that no traditional pundit would make such a claim. > That is what we are discussing here- "tmo pundits" coming to America > to influnce its course of human events as outlined by bramachari > Mahesh and Dr. Hagelin, PhD. We were discussing whether any pundit, not just the TMO ones, would make such claims. Of course, as everyone knows, they do all the time, as any gool search of mahayagya or mahayajna shows. > > > http://www.experiencefestival.com/a/Yajna/id/62894 > > yajna: (Sanskrit) "Worship; sacrifice." > > One of the most central Hindu concepts - > > sacrifice and surrender through acts of worship, > > inner and outer. > > 1) A form of ritual worship especially > > prevalent in Vedic times, > > in which oblations - ghee, > > grains, spices and exotic woods - are offered > > into a fire according to scriptural injunctions > > while special mantras are chanted. > > Sir LawsonJi.., just what has this to do with the Judeo-Christain > american society that we live in? > What does the culture we live in have to do with your original claim? You said that no pundit would make such claims. > > - The element fire, Agni, is revered as the divine > > messenger who carries offerings and > > prayers to the Gods. > > > > - The ancient Veda Brahmanas and the Shrauta > > Shastras describe various types of yajna > > rites, some so elaborate as to require hundreds of priests, > > whose powerful chanting > > resounds for miles. These major yajnas are > > performed in large, open-air structures called > > yagashala. > > > > - Domestic yajnas, prescribed in the Grihya Shastras, > > are performed in the family > > compound or courtyard. Yajna requires four components, > > none of which may be omitted: > > dravya, sacrificial substances; tyaga, the spirit > > of sacrificing all to God; devata, the celestial > > beings who receive the sacrifice; and mantra, > > the empowering word or chant. > > > > - While puja (worship in temples with water, > > lights and flowers) has largely replaced the > > yajna, this ancient rite still continues, > > and its specialized priestly training is > > carried on in > > schools in India. > > Sir LawsonJi.., just what has this to do with the Judeo-Christain > american society that we live in? > This is India(Bharatvarsh) not America. > Big difference as we americans do not follow the Varna (caste system > of India).. > And what has that to do with whther or not such claims are made, whether by hindus living in the USA or India, or by Maharishi-followers at Fairfield? > > - Yajnas of a grand scale are performed for > > special occasions, beseeching the Gods for > > rain during drought, or for peace during bloody civil war. > > Correct me if i am wrong Sir LawsonJi..,are we in a civil war? You are the most literal-minded person I have met in many years. [...] > Sir Lawsonji.. i am sorry i just donot see any correlation to your > claims regarding "mahayagya" performed in Bharatvarsh(India) and > the "tmo pundit project" here in America. As, there is no mention > (in your info) of a "mahayagya" that could come from a > predomiantly "Hindu"/Vedic Sanatana Dharma society, and be performed > by "tmo pundits".., to exert specific influences(as outlined by Dr. > John Hagelin, PhD) on a predomiantly multi-racial Judeo-Christian > American society! > > Do you?? > If the TMO pundits are trained in the traditional way, why would their affiliation with the TMO bother you? Are you saying that no pundit could ever be associated with the TMO? To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! 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