--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
<shempmcgurk@> 
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> 
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
> > <shempmcgurk@> 
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" 
<jstein@> 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
> > > > <shempmcgurk@> 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" 
> > > > > > > <jstein@> wrote:
<snip>
> > > > > > > > They believe that's the case because that's what
> > > > > > > > Bush told them (even though he knows otherwise).
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > That's odd.  
> > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > Bush's comments (including his press secretary's
> > > > > > > comments) came way after it was reported in the
> > > > > > > media and way after calls for Kerry to 
> > > > > > > apologise came from all camps, Democrat as well
> > > > > > > as Republican.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > You can't possibly be that naive.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Well, why don't you back up your claims by showing us
> > > > > the timeline: when Kerry said what he said, when Bush
> > > > > (or his press secretary said what he said), etc.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Your inability to come up wtih this time line, Judy,
> > > > > will show that you are wrong.
> > > > 
> > > > You can't possibly be that naive.
> > > 
> > > Okay.  So you can't come up with it.
> > 
> > That you think it would be relevant is what's naive.
> > 
> Well, there is a certain point here: if the text wasn't
> released before the speech, than it was a major gaffe
> that he can only defend with after-the-fact press releases.
> If the text WAS released before the speech, he can claim,
> beyond any challange, that he definitely didn't mean to
> say those remarks.

Well, first, that isn't what Shemp was being naive
about.  He's pretending not to know that it was
Bush and his people who got the whole thing started,
no matter when Bush or Snow first spoke publicly
about it. So the "timeline" he's talking about is
totally irrelevant.  And it's also completely beside
the point because most of the country first learned
about it from Bush's remarks as they were played on
the evening news that day.  Shemp is being dishonest
two different ways.

As to whether the prepared remarks were released
beforehand, I read that in one report, but other
reports make it sound as though the text was
released after the to-do started.

However, none of the reports I've seen actually
say anything to contradict that it was released
beforehand, and it would be odd if it had not
been--it's what Big Deals usually do, so the
reporters can get a head start on writing their
stories about the speech.

Plus which, if the media *did* have the prepared
text when they put their stories together about
how Kerry had purportedly insulted the troops, 
they would obviously want to keep that fact
quiet.





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