--- In [email protected], Vaj <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > On Nov 28, 2006, at 6:55 PM, sparaig wrote: > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > >> > >> > >> On Nov 28, 2006, at 5:46 PM, sparaig wrote: > >> > >>> --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> On Nov 28, 2006, at 4:18 PM, sparaig wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> The yogattava upanishad mentions pranayama just before it mentions > >>>>> levitation. It is > >>>>> unclear TO ME at least as to whether or not this is meant to say > >>>>> that the only way to > >>>>> perform levitation is using pranayama or even if it is meant to > >>>>> imply that pranayama, as a > >>>>> practice (rather than as breath-suspension associated with > >>>>> samadhi) > >>>>> leads to levitation. > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> For all siddhis, the secret is to master the "fourth" pranayama. > >>>> You > >>>> see the same thing in Buddhist tantra and Hindu tantra. > >>>> > >>> > >>> Er, what is the "fourth" pranayama? > >> > >> > >> It's a key part of the YS. > >> > > > > Neatly side-stepping the question. > > > > The fourth pranayama is taken from YS 2:50-51. Of course, it is > > easy to see that > > "fourth" (caturthaþ) in this context is a play on words with > > reference to the "fourth" state > > of consciousness already identified by Patanjali": turya/TC/ > > samadhi. The TM research on > > breath suspension during samadhi/TC is certainly relevant to this > > discussion, and in fact, > > the detailed analysis found in Kesterson's research reveals why > > 2:51 is important and what > > it actually means. > > > And, no, of course that's not what the fourth is. The fourth > is not taught in TM or the TM siddhi program, nor have they > identified it correctly in research that is published. Of > course they want you to believe they have.
Hard to imagine a better example of Vaj not knowing what the hell he's talking about. Nobody said it was taught in TM or the TM-Sidhi program, of course. Rather, it *happens* during TM, i.e., spontaneously. That's the point Lawson is making. And I seriously doubt Kesterton mentioned 2:50-51 in his research, or even made the connection in his own mind.
