--- In [email protected], cardemaister <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <sparaig@> wrote: > > > > > > --- In [email protected], Vaj <vajranatha@> wrote: > > > > > > <snip> > > > > And, no, of course that's not what the fourth is. The fourth > > > > is not taught in TM or the TM siddhi program, nor have they > > > > identified it correctly in research that is published. Of > > > > course they want you to believe they have. > > > > > > Guffaw. TM researchers have never mentioned 'the fourth > > > pranayama" in any research or discussion that I have heard. > > > > Nor is it taught, at least not that I've ever heard. > > > > Of course, I notice you neatly snipt the original Yoga Sutra > > > context where the term "fourth" occurs in the context of pranayama > > and don't address my > > > points save to say "that's not it." > > > > > > Hard to say what "it" is when you won't even keep the original YS > > sutra 2;50-51 in the > > > thread. Is it, well, because you can't argue my point? > > > > Vaj has dug himself a big hole here in his never- > > ending attempts to appear knowledgeable and spiritually > > superior. This particular attempt has highlighted his > > limitations and pretensions in that regard especially > > clearly. > > > > Is he smart enough to stop digging? We'll see. > > > > Keeping in mind that "satyam eva jayate", I must > second Vaj on that, as to the fourth praaNayaama. > It's true that "praaNaayaama" is only implied > in II 51: > > baahyaabhyantara-viSayaakSepii *caturthaH*.
But turya is only implied as the fourth state of consciousness, also. It isn't called the fourth state of consciousness, but only "the fourth" (turya). And the fourth pranayama is inherent in any practice that can lead to samadhi, as the various commentators point out. > > But Vyaasa's commentary sez amongst other things: > > [...] bhuumi-jayaat krameNobhayor abhaavash *caturthaH praaNaayaamaH*. > > I'm not sure what "bhuumi-jaya" here means, but the rest > probably means something like "gradual [krameNa] stopping [abhaavaH] > of both [ubhayoH: inhalation and exhalation?] [is] the fourth pranayama". >
