--- In [email protected], "jim_flanegin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <jstein@> > wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > 1. Close mind. > > > > > > > 2. Open book. > > > > > > > > > > > > Heh. So reading Sanskrit out loud without trying to > > > > > > comprehend it requires a closed mind? > > > > > > > > > > B-b-b-but Lawson, that's what Barry *means*. > > > > > Since you aren't going to be *using* your mind, > > > > > you might as well close it; then you won't be > > > > > tempted to try to make sense of the Sanskrit. > > > > > > > > > > <guffaw> > > > > > > > > > > > Seems to me that you have to have some semblance of an > > > > > > open mind to bother with such a task, unless you're so > > > > > > fanatical about MMY's teachings that you just assume > > > > > > he's correct in the first place. > > > > > > > > > > However, there's no need for an open mind once > > > > > you've already decided MMY isn't correct about > > > > > *anything*. > > > > > > > > > > Pathological. > > > > > > > > Especially since BARRY is the one who has implied that > > > > using the TM-Sidhis course, since it is not sanskrit > > > > based, can't possibly work. > > > > > > Even though Lawson seems to be under the impression > > > that I am some sort of God, and thus he must capitalize > > > my name, I assure him that it is not true. It is *also* > > > not true that I have ever suggested that the TM siddhis > > > don't "work." Why, just the other day I stated explicitly > > > that some who practice them have very real experiences > > > indeed. It's just that I *also* stated that I believe > > > those experiences are pretty much the result of the > > > placebo effect. > > > > Actually, what BARRY stated was that he suspected > > *all* techniques for self-realization were placebos. > > > > Which (as I pointed out) renders the notion of the > > placebo effect completely meaningless and utterly > > useless for making any kind of distinction between > > spiritual techniques. > > > > > Another thing I have stated is that the TM siddhis, in my > > > opinion, have absolutely nothing to do with what Patanjali > > > was writing about in his Yoga Sutras. He was writing about > > > the real thing. > > > > Patanjali was writing about the real *placebo effect*, > > BARRY means. > > > > > The TM siddhis aren't. > > > > Aren't what? Aren't the real placebo effect? > > What's a "fake" placebo effect, pray tell? > > > > > Are we clear now on what my position is? :-) > > > > The question is whether BARRY is clear on it. > > > > > > I mean, BARRY apparently believes that > > > > reading/thinking sanskrit has some special effect... > > > > > > Nope. However, the placebo effect is multifaceted. For > > > example, some True Believers have convinced themselves > > > that when they hear words they don't understand it has > > > good effects on them because of the powerful Woo Woo Rays > > > trapped inside the words they don't understand. > > > > > > They have decided this because early in life they made > > > a decision to trust Maharishi, and to not bother to think > > > for themselves. > > > > Actually, some of them decided to check around > > and discovered that MMY was by no means the only > > person to maintain that Sanskrit (and other ancient > > languages) had an effect that went way beyond the > > semantic meanings of the words. Indeed, they > > found it was a very common belief in spiritual> circles (including > some conventional religious > > circles, such as Judaism).
FWIW, Swedish is the second official language of Finland. I occasionally watch FST (Finland's Svenska Television, Swedish TV in Finland). Listening to Swedish kinda makes me, a pathologically gloomy chap, feel a bit more joyful. As soon as I change back to a Finnish speaking channel, my normal gloomy mood returns. I have no idea whether that's because of the differences in the phonetic properties of those two languages, or just some negative emotional associations I have concerning my own native language. But it's interesting that Hungarian that's a very distant relative of Finnish, sounds awful to me. Actually one of the "ugliest" languages I know. Well, perhaps mainly because of a couple of exceptionally ugly vowels. And furthermore, I believe Hungarians are rather suicidal, like Finns, too. > > > I suspect Barry is just f'ing around on this one- to negate the > teaching of name and form is pretty rediculous. Reminds me of an > experiment I did for my high school science fair, where I placed a > sheet of metal covered with iron filings on top of a speaker and > then by playing different frequencies through the speaker, different > patterns were formed by the filings. Different frequencies, > different effects. Same reason we like different kinds of music, and > Barry brings up his musical preferences here, so why is not all > music the same for him? Nah, he's jerking your chain... > > On the other hand, if he is being serious, it is a case of him being > seduced by the waking state mind and the ego, whereby transcendent > experiences are ascribed to one's self. Transcending becomes > something *special* that we are exquisitely mindful of, and rather > than become a way to liberation, become a method for further self- > aggrandizement. > > So its either BS or the other thing. >
